Top Scriptural Reasons Against Christian Rock - ANSWERED!

Argument: Christian rock fans are not in submission to the authority of their wiser elders, who say it is wrong.

Please read my prelude - I have a lot to say in introduction to this topic!

First Scripture

There is a generation that curses its father, And does not bless its mother. {12} There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes, Yet is not washed from its filthiness. {13} There is a generation; oh, how lofty are their eyes! And their eyelids are lifted up. {14} There is a generation whose teeth are like swords, And whose fangs are like knives, To devour the poor from off the earth, And the needy from among men. (Prov 30:11-14 NKJV)

This is one of a group of "antithetic" proverbs. "Anthetic" means two vastly opposing things. So this scripture is only half of the story, we need the other side as well (in this case a Godly, contrite man):

1 The sayings of Agur son of Jakeh-- an oracle {[1] Or Jakeh of Massa}: This man declared to Ithiel, to Ithiel and to Ucal: {[1] Masoretic Text; with a different word division of the Hebrew declared, "I am weary, O God; / I am weary, O God, and faint.} 2 "I am the most ignorant of men; I do not have a man's understanding. 3 I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One. 4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know! 5 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. 7 "Two things I ask of you, O LORD; do not refuse me before I die: 8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread. 9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, `Who is the LORD?' Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God. 10 "Do not slander a servant to his master, or he will curse you, and you will pay for it. 11 "There are those who curse their fathers and do not bless their mothers; 12 those who are pure in their own eyes and yet are not cleansed of their filth; 13 those whose eyes are ever so haughty, whose glances are so disdainful; 14 those whose teeth are swords and whose jaws are set with knives to devour the poor from the earth, the needy from among mankind. 15 "The leech has two daughters. `Give! Give!' they cry. "There are three things that are never satisfied, four that never say,`Enough!': 16 the grave, {[16] Hebrew Sheol} the barren womb, land, which is never satisfied with water, and fire, which never says,`Enough!' 17 "The eye that mocks a father, that scorns obedience to a mother, will be pecked out by the ravens of the valley, will be eaten by the vultures. --- Proverbs 30:1-17

I include verses 15 through 17, because the thought in 17 is so similar. Otherwise, it would be a separate passage. Now that we have the whole thought including both sides of the antithesis, some points come out:

Next Scripture

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: {2} For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, {3} unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, {4} traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, {5} having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! {6} For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, {7} always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. {8} Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; {9} but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Tim 3:1-9 NKJV)

Any time you start a verse with the word "but", you know there is something that goes first. The Bible may be inerrant, but the chapter and verse divisions are NOT!

22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. 1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth-- men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings-- what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. --- 2 Timothy 2:22 to 3:11

It is too bad the Christian rock critics chose to chop out the other parts of this passage, because there are some good things in it that apply to youth. Paul, after all, was much older than Timothy and his mentor. The passage, however, is clearly Paul speaking directly to Timothy, giving him some advice, and warning him about unsaved people. It is funny how verses 3:2 through 3:9 seem to be talking about Bill Clinton! But as humorously ironic as that comparison is, it does point to the fact that our society is FILLED with cultural Christians who do not have Jesus in their hearts. Paul is telling Timothy to have nothing to do with them. Unfortunately, in the 1996 election, 36% of those identifying themselves as sincere Christians voted for Bill Clinton.

Again, the broader meaning of the passage is to contrast the situation of a repenting heart to that of a conscience so seared it will NEVER come to repentance. I do not know any Christians who are in the condition talked about in 3:2 through 3:9. If they ever were saved in the first place, they have degenerated to the point that Jesus is totally silent in their lives, and they live without His love and protection. Whether or not they are still saved is another debate. But again - to try to narrow this down to just Christian rock fans is degrading the meaning of the passage. Yes - Christian rock is fun and enjoyable. But I do not equate that with it being a "youthful lust". For that to be true, it would have to be clearly forbidden in the scripture along with the many other items listed. I have seen no Christian rock fans exhibiting even a small number of the sins listed - although nobody I know is entirely sinless. If anything, the Christian rock fans are more sincere than the critics I have read. They certainly exhibit more love, and the church has always prospered more under persecution than when it gets complacent. Christian rock fans are used to taking it on the chin from unloving traditionalists, and therefore are generally into the Word of God more for justification of their beliefs. Just as I am to write these essays. And - Paul WAS comparing the complacent, materialistic, cultural believer to the persecuted believer (himself).

In order for this passage to specifically apply to Christian rock fans, the condition of verse 3:9 would have to be true. Yet a growing number of Christian leaders, as well as secular people, are seeing Christian rock for what it is - a valid tool of the ministry. If it were a tool of the devil, the devil would eagerly be getting secular stations to play it far and wide. But that is not happening - secular stations are in a terrible dilemma with Christian rock. They don't want to play it, because it mentions Jesus and conventional morality. If all their audience gets saved, they won't listen to the rest of the secular garbage they pump out. The "folly" of Christian rock fans is NOT "clear to everyone". Only to the critics, who form a tiny minority. Does that picture look right? I don't THINK so!

Paul tells Timothy to "avoid foolish arguments" - and that is exactly what I do with the critics. I don't confront them. I scare them off this site by forcing them to click that they agree with the music before they enter. I do not want them here. Arguing with them would be time consuming and fruitless activity. This site is for YOU - the Christian rock fan with the question "is it right?". I pray all my answers will be inspired by the Holy Spirit and in accordance with His will.

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