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Jar Jar stunk!! He stunk a lot, but....
He symbolizes all that is wrong with this episode in the Star Wars series(please note that until I saw Phantom I would have said "Saga" instead of Series-- too bad it had to be demoted) The character of Jar Jar is just fine in another setting...ie a Disney Film or a shooting gallery. He does not belong in Star Wars. The obvious complaints have been covered regarding the scatological humor which revolves around him by other critics on this page. Therefore I am going to talk about his worst offense-- attracting so much attention that the movies other flaws are minimized or ignored.

Personally I think Lucas was lucky he put the character Jar Jar in the movie. The focus has been on Jar Jar rather than the other reasons Phantom was unimpressive. The legacy of the other three films include: dialogue(worth listening too), characters with motivations for their actions, a presentation of an interesting fantasy/sci-fi universe, and a plot which did not put people to sleep. The new film missed the boat.

As offensive as Jar Jar was I objected to the following more: Anakin skywalker's whole flight scene above the planet naboo-- even for Star Wars that was pretty far fetched., The complete lack of dialogue in the light saber duel--(made it lifeless by comparison with the first three movie lightsaber duels.) Not only did the duels from the first films advance the plot of the Series- usually involving a major revelation ie "I am your Father", but usually they added to the suspense -- Darth was particularly good there. ( yes it was beautifully choreographed, but it lacked heart) , The Jedi council which blipped across the screen and was gone., The new and improved nature of the Force-- A CHEMICAL???????. Whatever happened to "Life creates it and makes it grow" Whats next?? a pill to enhance Jedi powers through extra metachlorines or whatever they were saying., Generally poor dialogue and interaction between characters., Boring aliens -- Something I would never have thought Lucas would be guilty of.

As a Star Wars fan I sincerely hope that Lucas goes back and figures out what made his first films entertaining and goes back in that direction.

--Chuckmeister

 

First of all you should go to www.fonthead.com for killer star wars fonts.

Now to the movie, it sucked. There was nothing good about it. I've been a starwars fan since I was six and saw it with my mom. The movies sent me to study film in college, and now George has lost one of his biggest fans, and I imagine many many more.

There is no aspect of this movie that was worth the price of admission. If you would like to hear why your favorite scene sucked just send me an email, but as you said on your web page, you loved it so I doubt you care what a true star wars fan thinks.

Here's just a taste: I bet you liked the Quin Gone Gin :) character. Who was he? Was he a great warrior jedi? No, no one talked about any great battles he was in. Was he a great teacher? No, the council doubted in his abilities to train Annie. Was he even liked by the council? No, he kept getting sent back to the shit assignment dealing with the Japanees aliens. Was he even an able jedi? No, he kept getting his ass kicked by some no name badguy who wasn't important enough a character to be explained. Then he died! He must have been a really crappy Jedi, to have not done anything with his life up to that point and then to die when faced with his first living adversary. And everyone who liked the crapfest we call episode I, thought he was great. Why? The power of the other three films has blinded you all.

If you care to hear more about why George sent out a lumpy turd in the form of a star wars movie, drop me a line.

--Peanut

 

Im glad so many people think jar jar sucks. Anything entirely computer generated is worthless.If it wasn't I could call up that nerd up the street with no friends and say,"hey, make me a movie on your computer" and it would be that easy.One thing you failed to address on your sight is how much little Anakin sucks and should die.Before I saw the movie I knew jar jar was shit, but when I saw the movie I knew that jar jar was shit and little Anakin was diarhea shit with nuts. They should kill each other.

--Jim

 

Im glad so many people think jar jar sucks. Anything entirely computer generated is worthless.If it wasn't I could call up that nerd up the street with no friends and say,"hey, make me a movie on your computer" and it would be that easy.One thing you failed to address on your sight is how much little Anakin sucks and should die.Before I saw the movie I knew jar jar was shit, but when I saw the movie I knew that jar jar was shit and little Anakin was diarhea shit with nuts. They should kill each other.

--Jim

 

What the hell, with kiddie factors aside the Phantom Menace is great, in storyline, and unsurpassed in digital technology. So all you whingy/moaning bastards need to look at the real beauty of this soon to be epic saga (once again). I loved it and I think the next one will be the icing on the cake for the STAR WARS story. I'm just waiting for Natalie and Jake in their SHAG scene. Come on Lucas make it a STAR WARS first. It's a new millenium, for the 2 following episodes, Jar Jar should die and not the peaceful Yoda death either. A Sarlac Pit death would suffice, make that mother****er scream. He was the most annoying thing in the new movie. Lucas also needs to cut out the cheese-factor elements, such as the original ROTJ ending (and I'm not talking about the Special Edition Version, if you've seen it, you know what I mean). Well those are my complaints, the pod race was cool and the lightsaber fights kicked ass, and the whole Palpatine duality thing is keeping me in a serious wait for the next episode. Otherwise, Lucas did a great job and Darth Maul kicked ASS.

--Navdeep

 

yo...
Jar Jar was HERDS annoying...everyone I know (we all grew up IN star wars, not like most who actually like this thing) didn't like Binks...hated him actually. c'mon...r2 and 3po were the one's who gave us the quick laugh here and there in the classic trilogy. why did he have to add some guy who acted and spoke TOTALLY out of the entire scheme of star wars? c3po and r2 were in PM, so there fore, I dn't think such a strange character was needed. GL still needed a gungan to aid the naboo...don't forget that. If GL added jar jar for to capture a new crowd, he's getting to greedy of the spotlight (not to diss the man or anything). I hope he wasn't added to catch the kids who were buying those "reproduced" star wars toys for the past few years. lucas is really not so young anymore. He named jar jar after his son, and the character's personality of silliness and play probably come from there. the thing is STILL not as bad as GL's howard the duck! Bottom line: the guy is really annoying, to me at least, but served somewhat of a fuctional purpose in PM. I hope he doesn't live through all three of the prequels...and he better not make it to 7,8,&9 (if made). Jar Jar is "krimpin' the style" that the star wars of yesterday had.

--KC

 

Stupid character! Can't understand a word he says!

He should be disintegrated the same way Kianu Reeves does in the "Men in black" characters at the end of "The Matrix"!

Lucas has blown it!

--Scott

 

Hello,
Thought your site was funny.

I wrote a list of seven ways that I think George should kill off JarJar in the FIRST FEW MINUTES of Episode Two. I passed it along to several of my friends; some of whom responded with their own ideas which I've included in the list I'm sending to you. I thought that someone who would set up a web site to rally for JarJar's demise might enjoy this list, so here it is. Two of the following methods (#5 and #8) were sent to me by friends. I wrote the other 8. Enjoy!

--Brian

P.S. I want to be clear that I did like the movie a lot; it did have several very strong points like the art direction. I came up with the idea to do this list just for fun.

Ten ways that George could kill off JarJar in the first few moments of Episode Two:

1) Episode One established jarJar as being a clutz. George could have him stumble off of a skiff and fall into the Sarlac pit. (1,000 years of being digested)

2) Godzilla could redeem himself by making a BRIEF appearance just to step on JarJar.

3) Suppose the Rancor beast from Return of the Jedi is just a baby in Episode Two...JarJar could be his first bipedal meal!

4) Obi-Wan could leave JarJar on a deserted planet, and Bruce Willis could fly his space shuttle up to a nearby asteroid and heroically sacrifice himself by guiding the asteroid into the planet--right on top of JarJar's head. (Quick death for JarJar, and a HUGE special effects sequence to boot.)

5) Episode Two could begin on the old and familiar Hoth...JarJar's tongue could become frozen to a metal pole; meanwhile, a Wompa would emerge from a cave and dismember JarJar while he's immobilized. That would be comic relief at its finest.

6) Queen Amidala could sit JarJar's ass down in a canoe, and send him down river and over the edge of one of those giant waterfalls on planet Naboo.

7) Jodie Foster could fly to Naboo on the machine she helped to get built in Contact, and bring JarJar back to Earth to be dropped off at Venice Beach, California--where he'd fit right in. He'd be on Earth, but at least he would be outta the Star Wars universe, right?

8) JarJar could siply choke to death on his own tongue, resulting from a terrible freak accident in the beginning of Episode Two.

9) George could send him off into oblivion as JarJar rides atop the last letter of the last word of the last paragraph of Episode Two's opening text crawl. I can hear it now: "Methinks me going byebye!"

10) Suppose Anakin (now ten years older) slices JarJar's head off with his newly aquired lightsaber because he learns that JarJar just made a sexual advance on Queen Amidala. This aggressive action on Anakin's part would in turn begin his journey to the dark side of the force, thus two birds would be killed with one stone! Remember...anger, fear, agression, pain--the dark side are they.

 

I'd like to start by saying that I loved TPM. It was amazing. But if every scene with Jar Jar Binks in it was replaced with Darth Maul kicking ass, I would have loved it even more. If I want comic releif, I'll go see the new Austin Powers movie. And another thing that's annoying me is the way that people keep saying that Star Wars is a kid's movie and that's why Binks was added. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I don't thing most kids movies involve the lead characters being impaled or being cut in half(I thought that part was a little too cheezy as well). In conclusion, less "phantom," more "menace."

--punkassdan

 

Jar Jar Binks, in a word, SUCKS. He totally ruined the middle third of the film. He made me long for the subtleties of Chewbacca. Death to the Floppy Eared Menace!

--Vanessa

 

It seems Lucas was searching for the "Disney" formula for a popular character,...well he really hit on a nice pile of dung with Jar Jar. Jar Jar needs to be evaporated with a blaster.

--Robert

I'll admit I'm not a Star Wars junkie..sorry, I didn't dress in character to go to the movie. If Luas figures he needs gimmicks like Binks attract new Star Wars fans, my question is, do I really want to be in a theatre with people who are interested and entertained by "characters" like these? NOPE. I guess all the hype eventually got to
Lucas' head and he forgot what made these movies such a classic in the first place...his original ideas that made us want to be heroes and to believe we could do anything

--Jill

 

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OPEN WITH THE USUAL STARWARS SCROLLING CREDITS AND THEN HAVE THE VERY FIRST SEEN BE A CLOSE UP OF JAR JAR BEING SHOT IN THE HEAD.

--Ken

 

JAR JAR IS PATHETIC. HE MUST BE KILLED!!!!!. I can't believe Lucas would ruin the movie with the piece of stupid SH*T!!!

--Chris

 

Thanks for the forum!
Any ideas on how we can actually impress upon Lucas how he's destroying his legacy by injecting fart/shit jokes (via Jar Jar) into the Star Wars stories?

People are defending Lucas by saying "Oh, he put the comic relief in to appeal to the kids". I counter that - kids LOVED Chewbacca, and Chewbacca never had to

1) have a fart directed at him, or
2) step in a pile of bantha shit and whine "oh, iccky goo goo", or
3) crush his family jewels by falling, straddle-legged, on a tank turret, or
4) flop around like Jerry Lewis and kill enemies through asinine luck.

How can we point this out to Lucas? Send mail to entertainment writers?
Help!

--Joe

 

It's obvious! Lucas is actually a genius like we thought all along! Dealing with Jar Jar and all his moronic bullsh*t is what drives Anakin to the dark side! Another brilliant plot turn by that genius Lucas! O focurse Jar Jar HAD to be annoying for it to be convincing when Anakin finally goes to the Sith. Hopefully he'll use his light saber to make a Jar-Jar Kabob on the way to evil. Consider that a final good act before going to the dark side.

--LwTlkGuy@aol.com

 

It seems Lucas was searching for the "Disney" formula for a popular character,...well he really hit on a nice pile of dung with Jar Jar. Jar Jar needs to be evaporated with a blaster.

--Robert

 

Isn't the internet the coolest thing in the last 2000 years? I am intensely amused at the speed which you created and ran the Jar Jar Must Die web page. Maybe we could make a movie like "Bring Me the Head of Jar Jar" or "Jar Jar Does Dallas"? There are so many infinite variations. We could have Jar Jar play the nanny slave in "Gone With the Gasbags" !

Actually, what is terribly wrong with Star Wars is Lukas is too rich. He has too many "yes yes" men around and so he has lost all touch with reality. Sad. I knew him many years ago when he made his first pre-Star Wars film. He was a very nice guy full of creativity. Now he is a lousy hack. Yuck. Oh well, I saw this coming since I fell asleep during "The Return of the Jedi" and awoke to see the three ghosts, you know, the father, son and holy Yoda. I burst out laughing.

--Elaine

 

I WALKED OUT! of Phantom Menace and went to next theater over to see Entrapment. Walked back in for the last 15 minutes or so... BLEAH! I am so thankful I didn't waste my money (and time) to see some racial stereotypical characters and useless robots wage "battle". Jar Jar? PUHLEEZ! The stupid bastard wouldn't have lasted last 2 microseconds. Yes Lucas, let's computer animate another cutesy-wutesy to sell your crap merchandise and destroy any chance of a decent flick. As far as I'm concerned the KFC-Pizza Hut-Taco Bell commercial is better.

Oh, and BTW... DIE JAR JAR DIE!

--Lonnie

 

I consider myself a peaceful person but after seeing the Gungans in Phantom Menace, I understand the positive points to genocide.

--Someone Smith

 

Exhuberant Salutations,
Firstly I think that Jar Jar really sucks. And I found your page amusing. However I don't see why everybody seems to say that besides Jar Jar it was a great movie. I can understand that most of you are major fans but great!! If you ditched Jar Jar (yay!! joy to the world...)the movie would still be only be good and not great... Anakin was disgustingly cute and couldn't act("yay!!" out of the middle of nowhere, what was with that anyway)... Obi won couldn't act... The plot wasn't there... What the movie was theoretically about, the begining of the empire, the sith, and the finding of the chosen one had about 15 minutes of screentime max. But the effects were cool. But then, there was Jar Jar. When he first made an appearance on screen I felt like killing somthing. Also the movie was such a sellout. Although there may have been some drug abuse (as some have suggested) in the creation of Jar Jar it was created out of profit.

--The Muffinman

 

Jar Jar Binks... a lovable Star Wars character provided for comic relief?...or a sick incarnation of Hitler in Gungan skin???

--Leeny086

 

I imagine the particulars of how Jar Jar sucks have been well examined, and I won't go into them terribly, but here's something I've noticed:

For as grating as he is (I didn't find the accent difficult to follow, I think that complaint is about as valid as that against Jim in Huck Finn. As far as the racist dimension, I doubt that either he or the Trade Federation were deliberate attempts at being derogatory at their parallel cultures, but the accompaniment of similar steriotypes with bad accents is troubing. And I think that, at some level, racism is used to do what good dialogue and storytelling should be doing: setting up a culture as backwards or greedy, respectively, without much more than a few lines. While that perhaps makes for efficient filmmaking, to the extent that doing so is exploitive and entrenching of prejudices, it's very disturbing. Yet I digress . . .), Jar Jar is fairly important to the plot, as far as getting the Jedi to where they need to be, drawing out explanations for the audience's benefit, permitting the construction of the Naboo-Gungan partnership, etc. One might think, then, that such an integral character would be a target of the "bad guys" as well as a recipient of grudging admiration from our heroes. However, the opposite is the case. A simple run down:
  • Qui-Gon, from the first seen Jar Jar is in, refers to him as brainless and corrects Jar Jar's hubris-filled assumption that he is intelligent. He also seems to disaprove of Jar Jar's eating habits, twice.
  • Obi-Wan calls him a pathetic life form. Not much screentime for our friendly Trainspotter, perhaps he would have a few more choice comments if he had.
  • R2-D2 gets bumped by Jar Jar and, in what one is sure prime castigation in his wacky compu-language (FORTRAN?), tells him he's going to get them all blown up if he doesn't get out of the way.
  • C3PO calls him a bit odd. In fact, it's the first thing he and R2-D2 agree upon. One should be feeling a bit low on the self-esteem-ometer when the comic relief from the other movies is making fun of one.
  • Anakin finds Jar Jar's contribution to the destruction of his slavemaster's shop disturbing.
  • The entire Gungan race expels him for being an idiot.
I'm sure I'm missing one or two more, but what else is missing? Any of the bad guys saying anything at all about him. Sebulba playfully knocks him down, but that's understandable, and besides, he's not even really a dark side co-conspirator, just a lonely, cheatin' alien who's been spit upon. Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious has 4 scenes with him, and not a word is exchanged in any of them.

I'm sure I'm stretching, and my tongue is more than a little in my cheek, but maybe Jar Jar is a double agent for the dark side . . . secretly prodding and helping our heroes along so the Queen Amidala's in the right place at the right time to make a call for a vote of no confidence and Palpatine's election with all its disatrous consequences. In fact, how do we know Palpatine is Sidious? Have we ever seen him and Jar Jar together at the same time? Maybe, through the magic of computer generated images, that was actually Jar Jar chatting with the Trade Federation . . . That's it, Jar Jar was behind it all, he's the real mastermind.

Well, maybe not, but he's still a jackass.

--Owen

 

So here are my feelings on Jar Jar Binks: He makes me angry. He's incredibly bad for my blood pressure problem. I hate him with every fiber of my being. I was praying through the entire film that something would step on him, or that he'd get a random blaster shot to the head or that Liam Neeson would just loose his temper at some point and shoot out those cool lightning beams from his fingers like the Emporer did in Jedi, and fry him to a crisp. But alas, our old pal George is a money hungry jerk with visions of action figures and patterned kids underwear dancing in his head. My fondest hope is that Jar Jar will be like Lando in that Lando had a huge role in Empire, but is almost nowhere to be found in Jedi. Hopefully Jar Jar will settle down on Naboo with a nice Gungan chick while the rest of the cast goes off to fight Palpatine, and we'll never have to see him again. But we all know we're not that lucky. I think this entire thing is terrible, and I loose tons of respect for Lucas as a filmaker for injecting this otherwise top-notch flick with an annoying, child-geared would be stuffed animal. You'll have to excuse me now; I have to go take my medication before I have a corronary.

--A Granieri

 

When it comes out on video I'll personally just edit out 75% or so of JJ's lines and have him never say, "how rude." While I'm at it I think I'll audio dub over Jake LLoyd saying, "Yippee" and... well, most everything else Jake Lloyd says too. When Queen Amadala's decoy says that R2D2 should be "commended" that was pretty cheezy too, that's right out. That announcer at the pod races? What the hell was that --it was right out of a bad mid 80s sifi cartoon. "I don't care what universe you're from that's gotta hurt!" Cringe!

--S-9

 

I totally agree with the the coments regarding this Jar Jar character, I started to feel sick to my stomach shortly after he arrived on the scene. I hope the next movie has more story.

--dnkorpi

 

The problem with the Phantom Menace in a nutshell: Not enough Darth Maul. Way too much Jar Jar Binks. What the fuck was Lucas thinking?

--Mike

 

I must pretend that Episode I never existed if I am to have any respect for Star Wars at all. Like the sequel to Highlander, Lucas proved that not all outstanding movies can be improved upon with a larger budget and better FX. Jar Jar was so annoying I felt like crying into my $10 movie seat because he just would not die! He kept killing those fragile robots when all they needed was one good laser to the head to end all the headache! Plus the audience would have rejoiced and proclaimed Phantom a winner!

--Adrian

 

ed wood never sank THAT low................

--Edward

 

jar jar ruined the whole damn movie. star wars was meant to be an action/special effects movie with a cool, original story line. Sure, maybe TPM didn't have much of a story line, in itself. The fact is, it is only the first movie in a six movie series. it is like the very beginning of one movie. it starts to get into the beginning of the whole story. Jar Jar is the only really bad thing about the movie. All his stupid blabbing on just made it feel more and more like i wasn't seeing a star wars movie but a disney
movie. I saw it opening night at midnight, and it was almost dissapointing to wait in line for hours to see it. I still thought it was good, but, to put it one way, i never would have waited for a disney movie. So you say he is for kids. Yeah, what kids, 4 year olds and some dorky 8 year olds? I don't care how old kids are if they are over 5, all of them would prefer action to jar jar. I know my little 8 year old brother would have wanted action a lot more than jar jar. All the other star wars movies were just fine without characters like him. C-3P0 had little remarks that little kids would like, but he never came close to ruining the whole damn movie. And so what if it was for kids? There was more jar jar than Darth Maul!! What the f-ck is up with that? The other star wars movies were for pretty much all ages but didn't have some stupid " oh pee-uhsa" IDIOT!

-Tim

 

What one must understand about Jar Jar is that is is a reflection of the American public at large. The third time I saw episode one the general audience was bored stiff with the great background dialogue and politics, and loved Jar Jar's antics ( including the fart scene. Just goes to show you how stupid and simple minded the public is. Most Fans will agree that Darth Maul should have had much more screen time and Jar Jar just should not exist at all. But since shows like TRAIN WRECKS and AMERICAS BUSTED ON THE JOB, are what is selling, expect more Jar Jar and less epic story telling. The great unwashed public cant handle a story thats too detailed.

--Bill

 

And this Jub-jub, or jar-jar, or whatever the #@$@%! his name is, is a breakthrough in computer generated nuisances. Not since Microsoft Word's animated paper-clip help buddy (or maybe Microsoft Bob) have computers been used to generate something so thoroughly annoying. Remember how you felt about Joe Pesci's obnoxious character in Lethal Weapon 2? Well that's nothing compared to how you'll feel about J-J. You'll be tempted to ram knitting needles through your eardrums after about five minutes of listening to him spit and babble. Fortunately, my wife didn't bring her knitting to the theatre.

-- "kzinti", on slashdot.org

 

Let's look at a few similarites between Jar-Jar "Jamaica-mon" Binks and Wesley "How do you want your ship saved today" Crusher:

Jar-Jar is whiny. Wesley is whiny.
Jar-Jar is annoying. Wesley is annoying.
Jar-Jar is comedy relief. Wesley is, uh, well, kinda funny...sometimes.
Jar-Jar is there to attract kids. Wesley is there to attract kids.

Notice that you never see Jar-Jar and Wesley in the same room at the
same time. Coincidence? I don't think so!

-- "DuctTape" on slashdot.org

 

Hello, I just wanted to say how much I despise Jar Jar and therefore like your cause. I am a big SW fan, and was looking forward to everything ROTJ was not, but ESB was. Less cheese, more story and action. ROTJ was, in many ways to me, a slapped-together contrived 'wrapping up of loose ends' that proved Lucus cannot handle untidy variables where villains are involved. In ROTJ you saw Jabba, Boba Fett, Vader, Emperor, and Yoda conveniently removed from the story, and usually in totally unrealistic fashion.

Back to Jar Jar-- As my friends kept telling me not to get my hopes up too high for E1, I kept pointing out the cool trailer. Looks like good things there. However, when I trudged through the first 110 minutes of E1, I noticed just how much Jar Jar I was getting, and how little I got to see jack squat of Obi-Wan, Sidious, Maul, Amidala, etc. Once I got to the last 20mins of the film, and the Jedi were duelling Maul, I had hope...hope that the film could make a comeback into greatness that would make Luke's X-Wing run on the Death Star look like child's play. But no.It was over quickly and I was again irritated, irate even at the shoddy treatment of Qui-Gon, then especially Maul. Wouldn't want to leave any mystery, would we Mr. Lucus?

I was irked like I hadn't been since...the first time I saw Jar-Jar. That clown ruined the majority of the movie. If he was anything but stupid I would call him racist. How did the guy who made up languages for even bit-part characters like Greedo in SW get so slack he gave the Gungans some slang Jamaican? Not to mention the Kung-Fu action theater Trade Federation guys? I get better accents from old Jackie Chan movies. Every time I nearly forgave the movie (during the film), Jar-Jar would step up and spoil it. If Lucus wanted to show off his CGI/Real actors mixing capability, he should have done an animated short, like Pixar would. By the end of E1, I was begging for more Threepio!

Take all the Ewoks, Gungans, that asinine race commentator, the Willow guy, the pink one-eyed pig yoda Jedi guy, and all the other stupid ideas in this movie and cut them out! That leaves about an hour for more development of REAL actors, or at least real characters. Also, is the first girl who makes fun of Anakin before the pod race Lucus' daughter? If not, then how do you explain a slave kid on a backwater planet with braces? Right before Ani tries out his pod (after Jar Jar's numb mouth debacle that was seen coming farther than a plotline gag from Three's Company), a girl picks on Ani, then a little girl, then the redheaded boy and the little Rodian. Note that the Rodian keeps his cool language that was original, not some Earthly rip-off.

Anyway, to summarize, I hate Jar-Jar. If that punk blights the screen again, I must probably disown Lucus permanently. Give it to Spielberg!!!! I went and bought the Lego small set with Qui-Gon and Jar Jar just to putJar Jar's head on a spear in my office, where it stands today...

--JTrex