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UPDATE

01/27/2012

Information is finally beginning to be narrowed down, but, we still do not have any good matches DNA wise.  There still is confusion among many people when they look at the information as presented, but one must learn to use the tools provided to get the correct picture.  This is why I have not put raw data from our DNA onto this site regarding matches.

As noted in the previous update, which is still shown below, there is still an imbalance in testing world wide.  England, Ireland, Scotland and The UK, continue to be the most widely tested areas where Spain, Portugal and other Spanish countries have a minimal set of data to compare to.  This continues to provide a false view of peoples connection, who likely have Spanish backgrounds.  However, this may be working to give us information in a back door kind of way.  Although our closest matches so far are still Ireland, Scotland and England, closer analysis is becoming easier and more reliable at this time.  I will show you the numbers below for the persons we match.

Given is the surname of the individual who matches us.  Country of origin if known.  Match is how closely they match us, and TIP is the estimated time to our Common Ancestor.  All information is based on my DNA with 37 markers compared.  Remember I am the 12 Generation from Domingo, 10 Generations from John Thomas.

The fact that we are looking at least 24 to 28 generations back, where are our most recent connections?  Most of us are 12 - 13 generations from Domingo, so we are talking twice as far back  Where were these peoples ancestors 600 to 700 years ago?  When did they move into Ireland or England?   We have to have true matches at 300 to 400 years ago to determine our true picture.  The fact that we do not have any recent matches in that time frame may be telling of the fact our cousins are in countries with low testing and just have not been found yet. 

I will continue to update as information comes in, but it will be very slow, likely years, before we get any good connections.

03/08/2011

  Well it's been a little while since I have updated our DNA information.  The reason being, is that DNA technology is not to the point yet where we can get a definitive answer, and with the comparisons available, the results can be very misleading.  Lets take a look at the two charts below.  The chart on the left shows the countries where we have meaningful matches at only 12 markers and the order in which we rank.  Ireland is number 1 with a match of 2.2% and Spain has a match of only 0.3%.  This seems to indicate that we are genetically from Ireland.  The problem, however, is with the testing.  Some countries have a high level of testing and some do not.  The chart on the right shows the order based on the number of people tested.  Ireland is number 2 in the participants of the DNA project with 12,841 people tested, where Spain is 6th place with only 3, 160 people tested.  If we try to calculate the future of testing and assume the percentage will remain the same based on the number of people tested, our highest matches are actually with Iceland and Australia, as we have 0.7% with only 134 and 145 people tested so far respectively.

This is with 12 marker testing which has been shown to be inconclusive for DNA testing connections at or prior to Domingo.  But this is the information that many are using to draw their (inaccurate) conclusions.  To get a true picture we have to use the 37 marker results, which provide a more clear picture. (scroll down for more discussion).

What this example shows is that our closest match so far, although with only one match is Spain, in the most recent testing, with Ireland and Scotland our next closest but with more mutations (genetic distance).  More mutations show a more distant connection and a greater amount of time.  I believe that this represents our connections to Ireland and Scotland to be relations to Domingo, perhaps his brothers or cousins, who did not come to the US.  They are not testing to be direct ancestors of ours, but close ancestors of ours.  But the one test from Spain suggest a direct ancestor connection with only 1 step mutation occurring.

But like I said previously, DNA is inconclusive at this point and we must wait a few years for more testing to occur and some of the other countries to reach the level of testing that Ireland, England and other European countries have obtained.

Now I will show you how our DNA tells a story of our ancient migration.  I am going to break down our Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5.  This is a technical way of classifying the end point of our Long hand as noted next.

I hope this made sense to everyone, I know it is probably hard to follow if you have not familiar with all the facts.

Continue below to see an explanation of our DNA and the earlier matches and information.

Listed are the volunteer participants who have signed up for the project. For privacy purposes they will be posted by a private ID number only. 

In order to be accurate we need as many from each branch as possible.

Results will be posted as they are determined. Matches will be based on the majority as they develop.

Match Type by Color

• Match / No Match
• No Comparison Available
• Incomplete data from sample or not used by the lab

• What does the project show so far? So far we have Nine contributors. Donors 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 are definitely related. 
• This means that we have now proved that Charles (4), Oliver (4), Rice (4) and John (4) were without any doubt brothers as we thought !!
• Donor number 5 is not related to the family tree. There were circumstances that brought this line into question and the results, although disappointing, are not surprising.
• Donors 8 and 9 discovered their connections through DNA testing.  8 has since been confirmed Charles 4 by paper trail.  9 has connected to Rice 4 by significant evidence.
  

* Gata H4.1 is tested differently with Ancestry.com, SMGF and FTDNA.  The Ancestry match for this marker is 22, which is equivalent to SMGF findings of 21 and therefore is the same as those listed above.

**Experienced an explainable name change

= DYS 442 is 18 through Sorenson, but 13 by FTDNA and is merely a lab standard difference, but results are a match.  Those who test through both services will show dual results.

# DYS 570 has only been tested by FTDNA and the two people tested have different results.  This likely demonstrates a gene mutation since the common ancestor connection.  This can then be a useful identifier if someone is trying to connect to a particular lineage, ie. John vs Charles, rather than trying to connect to the Descendants of Domingo at large.  Only two people have had the 37 marker test through FTDNA so we do not have 570 for Rice, Oliver or Massey.  Since both matches are different they are shown as mismatches to Domingo until we know which is the more common marker.

 What does this all mean?

The math says we are all related. If we use 1950 as a reference point, and consider on average that 25 years is a generation, which is accepted by most DNA genealogical theories; we will see how quickly we are all related together.  Every person has 2 parents, who also had 2 parents and so on and so on.  That means I have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents and etc....  By the time we get to the year 975 AD or just 975 years ago,  we have an astounding 549 billion grandparents.  That is more people than were alive at the time.  Most sources have the entire population of Europe at around 38 million in 1000 AD.  Therefore, anyone with a European ancestry share a common ancestor in much less than 975 years ago.  And by the way that is only about 39 generations.  Mathematically we all share common grandparents and our tree limbs criss cross many times.

Haplogroups

What does that mean?   There are three ways to look at this.

• Our Confirmed Haplogroup = R1b1b2a1b5.  This is a technical way of classifying the end point of our Long hand as noted next.

• Long Hand= M42, M168, M89, M9, M45, (R) M207, (1) M173, (b) M343, (1) P25, (b) P297, (2) M269, (a) L11, (1) P310, (b) P312, (5) L21

You can follow the long hand groups on the National Geographic's Genographic Project and follow our path from Adam up to the last 30,000 years ago.   It will demonstrate our tract from Africa to Europe.  This is if you believe in the Scientific Models.  I will tell you up front that I am more in line with the Biblical models that lead us along the same tract from the Middle East to Europe.  I believe that with only a few exceptions that the Scientific models agree with the Biblical views.  However keep in mind that the Scientific models only account to current findings in the archealogical picture and do not account for future discoveries that are yet to be made. As more and more discoveries are made, they do swing more towards the Biblical view.

The Genographic project is not as updated as FTDNA as far as haplogroups.  Their key interest is distant past or Deep Ancestry.  They will take you to the point of M173 which is estimated to be about 30,000 years ago and marks the arrival of our ancestors to the European stage.

You can view our information at the Genographic project by using the link below.  Go to the tab "Your Genetic Journey" and enter the password:  FWP3DXT739

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

• Shorthand we are =  P312, L21+

• The Gold Match = The Netherlands Antilles, previously known as the Netherlands West Indies or Dutch Antilles/West Indies, is part of the Lesser Antilles and consists of two groups of islands in the Caribbean Sea: Curaçao and Bonaire, just off the Venezuelan coast, and Sint Eustatius, Saba and Sint Maarten, located southeast of the Virgin Islands. The islands form an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.  Both the leeward and windward island groups were discovered and initially settled by Spain. 
• The Silver Match =   Luxembourg is a small landlocked country in western Europe, bordered by Belgium, France, and Germany.  Its historic and strategic importance dates back to its founding as a Roman era fortress site and Frankish count's castle site in the Early Middle Ages. It was an important bastion along the Spanish road when Spain was the principal European power influencing the whole western hemisphere and beyond in the 14th–17th centuries.
• The Bronze Match = Haiti along with the Dominican Republic occupies the island of Hispaniola, in the Greater Antillean archipelago. The island of Hispaniola, of which Haiti occupies the western third, was originally inhabited by the Taíno Arawaks, a seafaring branch of the South American Arawaks. Christopher Columbus landed at Môle Saint-Nicolas on 5 December 1492, and claimed the island for Spain. 
• Forth Place =  Ireland is the third largest island in Europe, and the twentieth-largest island in the world. It lies to the north-west of continental Europe and to the west of Great Britain. The first settlements in Ireland date from 8000 BC. By 200 BC Celtic migration and influence had come to dominate the island.  Ireland has been inhabited for at least 9,000 years, although little is known about the paleolithic and neolithic inhabitants of the island (other than by inference from genetic research in 2004 that challenges the idea of migration from central Europe and proposes a flow along the Atlantic coast from Spain.

Here are the test values for a 12 marker test per the FTDNA standards.

Perfect match (12/12): RELATED Your perfect 12/12 match means you share a common male ancestor with a person who shares your surname (or variant). These two facts demonstrate your relatedness, however if your name is one of the most common surnames, i.e. Smith, Tailor, Miller, etc, (trades or towns) then we always suggest you utilize additional markers to eliminate the possibility of a coincidental surname and genetic match.

One marker off (11/12): Possibly Related. You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by only one 'point' on only one marker. For most closely related or same surnamed individuals, the mismatch markers are either DYS 439 or DYS 385 A, 385 B,389-1 and 389-2. To ensure that the match is authentic you should utilize additional markers.

Two markers off (10/12): Probably Not Related: You share the same surname (or a variant) but are off by 2 'points' or 2 locations on just 12 markers. It is only possible that you and another related family members' line each have had a mutation. There are two ways with DNA testing to confirm or deny. One is to test additional family members to search for a line that shows a mutation that is 1 point closer to your sample. The other is to test additional markers. Refining greatly enhances science’s ability to determine relatedness -- geared towards the most accurate assessment of the number of generations to a shared ancestor. Only by further testing can you find the person in between each of you...this in 'betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and in their absence we feel you are not related.

9/12 - is too far off to be considered related. Unlikely but vaguely possible that the rule for Probably Not Related applies.

8/12 - You are not related and the odds greatly favor that you have not shared a common male ancestor with this person within thousands of years.

7/12 - You are not related and the odds greatly favor that you have not shared a common male ancestor with this person within thousands of years.

<5/12 - You are totally unrelated to this person.

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25/25 match   Related  Your perfect 25/25 match means you share a common male ancestor with a person who shares your surname (or variant). These two facts demonstrate your relatedness.  

24/25 match   Related   You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by only one 'point' on only one marker. For most closely related and same surnamed individuals, the mismatch markers are usually either DYS 439 or DYS 385 A, 385 B,389-1 and 389-2 from our first panel of 12 markers, and on the following from the second panel: DYS #'s 458 459 a 459b 449, 464 a-d, which have shown themselves to move most rapidly. The probability of a close relationship is very high.  

23/25 match  Probably Related.   You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by two 'points' among the 25 markers we tested. For most closely related and same surnamed individuals, the mismatch markers are usually either DYS 439 or DYS 385 A, 385 B,389-1 and 389-2 from our first panel of 12 markers, and on the following from the second panel: DYS #'s 458 459 a 459b 449, 464 a-d, which have shown themselves to move most rapidly. The probability of a close relationship is good, however your results show mutations, and therefore more time between you and the other same surnamed person.  

22/25 match  Probably Related    You share the same surname (or a variant) but are off by 3 'points' or 3 locations on the 25 markers tested. If enough time has passed it is possible that you and another distantly related family members' line each have had a mutation, or perhaps 2. The only way to prove that is to test additional family lines and find where the mutation took place. Only by further testing can you find the person in between each of you... this in 'betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and in their absence the possibility of a match exists, but further evidence should be pursued.  

21/25 is too far off to be considered related. Unlikely but vaguely possible that the rule for ONLY “Probably Not Related” applies. It is important to determine what set of results (or haplotype) most typifies 'most' members of the group you are close to matching. You may be 21/25 with an individual, but 23/25 with the center (most common) of the group, and your potential relatedness to him is through the center of the group.  

20/25 You are not related and the odds greatly favor that you have not shared a common male ancestor with this person in excess of 2,000 years.  

19/25 You are not related and the odds greatly favor that you have not shared a common male ancestor with this person in excess of 5,000 years.  

<19/25  You are totally unrelated to this person.  

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UPDATE ON PROGRESS OF DNA TESTING

The DNA testing has finished and our Actual Haploytpe is R1b1b2a1b, 

in shorthand that is M269 (S116)+. 

In longhand we are:  M269+ rs34276300+ M153- M222- M37- M65- P66- SRY2627- U106- U152-

    So what does R1b1b2a2 (S 116) mean?   Well this is interesting as (S116)+ is a relativelly new discovery in DNA.    Being new it is not completely clear what the origins are prior to our Iberian connection.  We have genetically tested and connected to Basque origins, we are also likely Celtic, pre Ireland.  Keep in mind when we talk about (S116) we are thinking very distant time, >10,000 years ago.  Our Domingo is certainly Spanish and we have genetically proven that.  I will be completely rewriting this page soon to make our DNA information clear for everyone and keep you updated on our findings.    This will not tell us about Domingos' parents but will provide our travels and existence through history, possibly all the way back to Noah !