fire ant collective wrote:


> Recently, on a show on Comedy Central called 'the daily show',

> they showed a clip of a park in China where people purchase baby chickens

> (cute fuzzy yellow little 'chicks') and throw them into this big pond

> full of voracious crocodiles, who promptly eat them. There were plenty

> of closeups of these tiny little, helpless warm fuzzy little chicks,

> blinking their cute little eyes, trying to stand up straight and get

> their bearings on a lily pad, shivering and looking pathetic and even cuter

> with water and mud matting down their little downy coat, when suddenly the

> enormous jaws of a Croc crunch down upon their uncomprehending little bodies,

> and rip, grind and puncture them into oblivion.


> Needless to say I loved this.


> Then a week later they had to do an editorial about it, because

> there were so many complaints from viewers offended by seeing chickens

> get slaughtered. The writers of the show pointed out wryly (with clips

> of muddy, pathetic chinese children and protestors in Tienamen square

> being slaughtered) that the Chinese government does a lot worse things

> than kill 5 cents a dozen baby chickens, much of which is indirectly

> subsidized by American consumers purchasing zillions of dollars of

> chinese goods, much of which is manufactured in slave labor (just look at

> the latest cheap electronic gadget, shoe, or plastic gew-gaw you have

> purchased, and you will probably see 'made in China' on it...)


> No shiess man! You know, the hyppocrisy of Americans never

> fails to amaze me. Fake ass puritan dorks. In China, they sell the

> organs of Prisoners to wealthy transplant patients, make the deal and

> THEN shoot them. People ignore hell on earth hapily, and even partipate

> in it, but let them have to witness some stupid mindless beast being

> hurt, suddenly they are bunch of bleeding hearts.


> Something similar happened in the sixties once. Some Yippies

> made a public announcement that they were going to napalm a puppy in

> protest of the vietnam war. Thousands of angry people showed up to kill

> them, but it turned out they werent going to napalm anything, it was just

> a publicity stunt to point out the horror of Vietnamese villagers (and,

> one has to assume, many of their village animals) being napalmed by our

> government on a daily basis. Naturally nobody gave a crap about that and

> the crowd dispersed, grumbling.


> You know what? I got news for you people. Animals arent going

> to do so well in general if we let our governments become totally

> diabolical, any more than people are. This sentimental, phony idolitry

> of stinking, flea infested critters to the explicit exclusion of having

> any concern for the lives of people, is a kind of social and intellectual

> disease. People want to tuck their head in the sand and fawn all over

> their dogs and cats 'because people suck', 'animals don't judge you', etc.


> The truth is idiots form depraved emotional bonds with their

> neurotic animals because they are too stupid and weak minded to grasp,

> let alone responsibly deal with, the real world. Yes I said Neurotic.


> Do you know that in the United States and estimated 400,000 pet cats and

> dogs are currently being medicated with PROSAC and other similar mind

> scrambling drugs due to 'depression' and other 'personality disorders'?


> You idiots!


> You have so many pets that their offspring swarm unwanted across

> our every city, starving to death, spreading and suffering from disease,

> living lives of misery and torture, while you feed your own personal

> animal 'companion' $5 cans of dog food, $10 a box doggie treats, $20

> catnip toys, and adorn them with sweaters, little houses, jeweled

> collars, manicures, pedicures, and $100 per month Prosac perscriptions.


> One day people in the third world who are forced to subsist on

> incomes considerably less than what you spend on your stupid dog or cat

> are going to cut your throat and eat you and your dog, and you will have

> diserved it. Every year in the United States hundreds of millions of

> dollars are spent on the Veterinary medical industry. Dogs and cats get

> heart surgery, eye surgery, cosmetic surgery, New Age spiritual

> surgery, while EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY millions of PEOPLE go without adequate

> medical care, archaic diseases like Tuburculosis and Typhoid and Dyptheria

> are spreading in our inner cities, due to cut backs in basic public health

> measures...


> But why should you care? Your mutant minature mutt is nice and

> friendly, and so cute the way he yips and nips and does little flips, and

> people are mean and bad and want to hurt you. He communicates his past

> lives to you with mystical Chihuaha ESP, and thinks funny jokes. So why

> care? Because exactly that. You can torment thousands of stray animals

> through neglect in your cities for a thousand centuries, and they aren't

> going to do ANYTHING about it. They are stupid animals. They CANT do

> anythign about it. Ever. But you keep harassing people like that, it can

> come back to haunt you.


> A dog is never going to form a gang or a revolutionary cell and

> hunt you down. No dog will ever shoot anybody, or burn down your

> neighborhood, or kidnap you, make a bomb and blow up your house. But pissed

> off people will. Whats more, diseases spreading among the dog population

> arent likely to effect humans, but you let the black plague and aids and

> god knows what kind of megalo-super-hantavirus breed in your cities,

> eventually somebody you know is going to go downtown & get a hooker, and

> then next thign you know your neighborhood paperboy is going to be yelling

> 'bring out your dead!'


> Not that I actually hate animals or anything. Animals are great,

> especially in the wild or at least semi-wild environment, they can be

> symbiotic, help you rid your home of vermin, eat scraps, guard the place,

> even share affection. Nothing wrong with that. But it's the hyppocrisy

> and waste that just KILLS ME. You know how many tons of food is fed to

> pets every year while people starve all over the world? Whats more, if

> they showed you how they make that pet food on Comedy Central you would

> be writing angry letters again, nobody wants to see 'Roany the friendly

> horse' ground up and hacked to bits as soon as he gets too old for the

> racetrack, and made into Jello Brand Jelletin and Elmers glue and yes,

> Dog Food. Even I don't want to look at that, it's SICK. Poor old horsy

> stuffed into so many alpo cans. Wheres the beef?


> The point of this rambling rant is simply this: If you want to

> be completely insulated from the whole world and not care about anything,

> ok, so be it. But don't come whining to me about fuzzy little old yeller

> getting whacked in the woods, or some kind of farkn' fur farms, because

> I'm going to puke right into your smarmy face out of pure disgust. Whats

> more, try selling that crap down in Sowetto, or in some nightmarish

> inhabited garbage dump in Guatemala, or on the streets of Calcutta, any

> of these places where 2/3rds of humanity are systematically impovrished in

> order to support your rich overlords, and to a lesser extent, your own absurd

> lifestyle, including your pet food, vet visits, doggie harnesses and pet toys.

> Because those people wont think it's too funny.


> And whats more, I'd really like to see you trapped somewhere in

> the woods, with a bunch of wild animals. Go and pet that Grizzly bear,

> see how much he likes you. Observe his noble animal tendancy to eat his

> own young, spray shit everywhere, gnaw on his infested ass, oblivious to

> the world around him. Just like you.


> Just like Christians who slaughtered and tortured and genocided

> in the name of the murdered 'innocent', you allow your small remaining

> vestigas of compassion and ethics to drain into the feverish obsession

> with your pets, and the defence of animals. Institutional murder and

> torture of animals IS bad, even dangerous to human society in a

> sociological sense, but the far greater tragedy morally is the hundreds

> of millions of suppressed human lives which are never allowed to develop

> into anything, but are insted stunted and warped into slaves and beggars

> and victims. Perhaps more importantly, the practical threat of

> astounding evil by humans against humans is far more dangerous than even

> the most diabolical government behavior control murder science on

> animals, because A) people will do their god damndest to get you back for

> putting them in hell, and B) the more evil, despotic, and wicked we let

> our governements and corporations become toward people, the more likely

> they will seal us into some kind of permanent slave empire, and neither

> you nor the animals are going to benefit from that.


> Just think about it people...


> An angry as usual,


> Drifter "Bob"

Jeez, Drifter "Bob" Lighten up, and enjoy a Big Mac.


>fire ant collective <> wrote:


>> Recently, on a show on Comedy Central called 'the daily show',

--Well-argued animal rights vs. sad starving mud people rights rant


Bob, old man, stuff like this makes it really hard for me to stick to

the promise I made to myself and everybody who was sick of my

long-winded bullshit to refrain from pointless political

pontificating. Suffice it to say this post got the better of me, but


I'll be brief (at least for me).


Finding glaring ethical inconsistencies in the conduct of Western

Govenments and their populations is about as difficult as tracking

down a bear in your bathroom. Figuring out what to do about them, then

determining what would result in real (rather than merely apparent)

improvement, is the hard part.


I believe as much damage has been done to the third world by pity and

misguided humanitarianism as by rank exploitation. Even if I

didn't believe this, I wouldn't think I owed some starving bugger in

some soggy shithole even a handful of my mutts' Kibbles and Bits, or

that shoveling any into his bazoo would necessarily be beneficial

to anyone but him, and moreover, to him in anything other in the short

term. What has been proven over and over is that he and others like

him would merely make use of that smidgen of nutrition to muster the

strength fire another load into his usually horizontal spew receptacle

and make more hungry mouths to feed. Feeding the starving merely

doubles the number that will starve tomorrow. And don't bother giving

me that hooey about education and birth control being the answer to

all that. It has no chance against countless generations of ignorance

and superstition and inborn propensities for mindless procreation of

the sort often observed among our pampered pets.


So, what's the answer? There ain't one. The whole world's fucked up.


It ain't no use. But I feel more for animals, and the Earth's dying

systems, than I do for the suffering members of the human population.

People are people. Just about every one of them wants more than he or

she needs. Some will always prosper at the expense of others. You

might as well try to still the movement of the oceans, like King

Canute, as seek to eradicate this human tendency. And who the hell is

to say it is not as it should be? What would come of this world of

peace and love and sharing that so many wring their hands and beseech

heaven for the creation of? A dirty, dying desert of a world choked

with billions upon billions upon billions of humans, that's what.


Still, we are well on our way to such a place, despite the human

population control that stems from our innate selfishness and

visciousness, and yes, largesse, of the type which pet ownership may

well be characteristic of.


You are right about one thing; one day these starving millions with

nothing to lose will come spilling over our borders with murder in

their eyes and strip the land like locusts. I have three dogs, and I'm

looking for another. I feel no guilt whatsoever and make no apologies.

When that day comes, I hope they will earn the dog chow I've been

shoveling down their necks.


We live in a sick society, no doubt about that, but don't ever forget

how lucky you are to be here, not in the the festering crapheaps our

treatment of you decry. I can't save the world. So I concentrate on

taking care of myself, and the people I care about. In reality, it's

really about all I or anyone else can manage. Carefully crafted images

aside, I think most everyone else feels the same way. Do you really

give a fuck about the starving buggers with flies up their snoots on

your TV at dinnertime, or do you flip to another channel feeling more

disgusted than guilty? Don't feel bad if you do. You ain't alone.

High morality is a luxury, and the actions resulting from it usually

cease the moment the going gets tough. As you have correctly

indicated, I think we may not have that or a number of other luxuries

for long.


Things are going to change, and our wasteful way of life will likely

be washed away along with a large chunk of the Earth's population in

the not so distant future. But nothing would be gained by diverting

resources from our dogs and cats, our fatassed population or anyone or

anything else in an effort to nutritionally subsidize further

population growth in the third world.


Yeah, I know. Mean spirted. Viscious. Insensitive. Or merely

realistic? Time will tell.