From clavis@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 22 17:01:14 1998

Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins,alt.slack,alt.religion

Subject: Re: Remove IN GOD WE TRUST from U.S. currency

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:01:14 -0600

Subject: Re: Remove IN GOD WE TRUST from U.S. currency

On 1997/12/19, "dgibson" <dgibson@digitalexp.com> wrote:

>Amen. A belief in God or some higher power is fundamental to human nature,

>whether a person subscibes to a particular religion or not.

I don't want to sound abusive, but this is bullshit. To say that theology

is fundamental to _human_ nature is like saying it is fundamental for

dogs to like human beings. Religion has existed for a long long time.

That doesn't make it any more inherent in the human psyche than the fact

that we've been wearing furs on our bodies makes the wearing of animal

skins inherent.

As far as I'm concerned, the belief in a god or gods is a weakness, like

selfishness, jealousy, pride, etc. It is something that can be overcome in

the psychological evolution of man as a species.

> Even

>proclaimed atheists have the need to believe in a supreme being at some

>level of their psyche.

What the hell does _that_ mean? I'm a proclaimed athiest and freethinker.

I'm exploring my own spirituality, and I am a firm believer in the

NONexistence of a supreme being. I find the concept ludicrous and

eminently explicable as the result of paranoia, vanity, fear and other

human weaknesses. We all would like there to be a big Dad in the sky that

will give us paradise forever with no aging or death if we only know how

to ask for it or how to gain his favor. It seems really transparent

unless you "need" it (which is another way of saying that you succumb to

the weakness necessary to accept it as a reality template.)

And pointing out that many people who don't rationally believe in God

have wished fervently for one at some traumatic time in their lives

doesn't prove anything except that people want things to be easier than

they are sometimes. Big deal.

> God and church are not the same thing.

You're right. One is a dangerous myth, the other is a dangerous

institution.

No thanks to both of them. I don't trust in God, and I don't want a

stupid, inaccurate, superstitous blanket statement on money. Not that I'm

_that_ in love with money, either.

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