Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang)

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:29:16 -0600

 

In article

<A45CCE2EC6346C90.ED6F92A13BE9CE32.7B7C5D4073FFED1B@library-proxy.airnews.ne

t>, ********@*****.**** wrote:

 

> On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:29:45 GMT, nospamum@radix.net (MegaLiz) wrote:

>

> > Love says you have to love

> >: everybody. You can't pick and choose: the ones that are the hardest to love

> >: are the ones that you HAVE to love. The moment you exclude someone,

you draw

> >: lines. I'm not saying you should embrace them and take them into your home

> >: and give them all your money and marry them. Love doesn't mean any of that.

> >: Love just means recognizing the other person as a person just like you.

> >: That's why propaganda works to dehumanize the enemy. You can't fight

someone

> >: who's just like you, or reminds you of your uncle or brother or son.

> >

> >

> Amen

>

 

 

NO! You loveburgers have it ALL BACKWARDS. Someone who's just like you,

your relative or child or spouse, is exactly who you're most likely to kill

when you LOSE IT. Most murders and fights are NOT between strangers, but

between relatives. GET REAL.

 

I hate to see "love" cheapened this way. Hate it. Heh.

 

It JUST AIN'T THAT SIMPLE, and the old "those who say" routine APPLIES.

 

 

'CAUSE I SAID SO!!

 

--

Copyright 1997 by Rev. Ivan Stang / 1st Orthodox Stangian

MegaFisTemple Lodge of People's Covenant Church of the

Wrath of Dobbs Yeti, Resurrected / The SubGenius Foundation,Inc.

PO Box 140306 Dallas TX 75214 / Fax 214-320-1561 / PRABOB

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From i.stang@metronet.com Tue Dec 02 15:45:16 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang)

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:45:16 -0600

 

In article <65m4b5$5gg@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, the Grand Clavister

<clavis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 

 

>

> Lennon and Christ and Hicks were right.

 

 

You left out Clavister and Stang!

 

 

It's a choice between fear and love.

> Fear says draw lines between your group and everybody else. Fear says,

> "hate", "discriminate", "close yourself off". Love says you have to love

> everybody. You can't pick and choose: the ones that are the hardest to love

> are the ones that you HAVE to love. The moment you exclude someone, you draw

> lines. I'm not saying you should embrace them and take them into your home

> and give them all your money and marry them. Love doesn't mean any of that.

> Love just means recognizing the other person as a person just like you.

> That's why propaganda works to dehumanize the enemy. You can't fight someone

> who's just like you, or reminds you of your uncle or brother or son. Charles

> Manson isn't a monster. He's a sick guy. He's a fucking homo sapiens that

> came out of a womb just like you and me. If he's got fucked-up chemicals or

> hormones or some godawful childhood memories that bonkerize(d) him, then you

> gotta realize that and not staple the file shut and write "THIS GUY IS THE

> DEVIL" in marker across it and throw it in the garbage, because mental

> "shortcuts" like that are based on fear and hatred and they have an

> inevitable tendency to build up on you and fill you up until there isn't any

> room left.

>

> Love says I should realize that Stang blew a fuse and emailed me insulting

> shit (this is a while back) because he had that shit in himself and, in his

> weakness, spit it out at me. I have to realize that and not allow it into

> myself... because it isn't mine. I don't want it. I have to understand it,

> and, more importantly, I have to forgive Stang for sending it. Because

> that's what love is. (Besides, he apologized.)

 

 

I'm gonna stick with the fear. No offense... the Love is ALL YOURS, pal.

 

 

>

> And please don't interpret my post as an accusation of weakness on anyone

> else's part. It isn't intended as such. Anyone who thinks it is, or feels

> the need to attack me or my posts or my logic is reacting and giving in to

> their own internal crap. You can post it if you think it'll make you feel

> better... but it won't. Believe me. All you'd be doing is spreading the shit

> a little wider and thinner. But it doesn't go away that way. It only makes

> it worse.

 

FUCK LOVE!!! FUCK SEX!!

 

 

>

> Are there some people that, were they to be dead this moment, would make

> this planet a better place? Yes. Absolutely. I'm not asking anyone to become

> their bosom buddies. But you gotta know that they're people. THAT's LOVE.

>

> Being able to love everyone is probably the hardest thing in the world to

> do. But I'm willing to work at it for the rest of my life.

 

 

Buddy, you SURE picked the wrong religion!

 

 

>

> Man, mushrooms are great. (Keep in mind, this all came from one trip [and a

> fantastic camping trip / weekend] over 3 months ago.)

>

 

 

Kids. KIDS! Whatcha gonna do with 'em.

 

Clavister, you're doing FINE for STAGE ONE. What you need to do next is

gobble about 8 four-way hits of ACID -- NOT MUSHROOMS, but LSD 25 -- and

then get on the SUBWAY and TRAVEL RANDOMLY through your city of New York.

ESCHEW the "FEAR" and GROK the "LOVE." You will begin to see the OTHER

LEVELS of your precious "love."

 

EH... EH... EH.

 

Legume, we got another live one. Ginsu was a washout, but maybe this

loveburger will be worth experimenting on.

 

 

OOOPS! There I go, being "negative" again! How "Saturnian" of me.

 

 

Peace, baby!

 

--

Copyright 1997 by Rev. Ivan Stang / 1st Orthodox Stangian

MegaFisTemple Lodge of People's Covenant Church of the

Wrath of Dobbs Yeti, Resurrected / The SubGenius Foundation,Inc.

PO Box 140306 Dallas TX 75214 / Fax 214-320-1561 / PRABOB

http://www.subgenius.com -- SubSITE of Slack

 

From qpm@geocities.com Wed Dec 03 01:21:54 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: Sticka Picka Munka Hunka Kyew Pee EMMMMM <qpm@geocities.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 03:21:54 -0600

 

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:

 

> I'm gonna stick with the fear. No offense... the Love is ALL YOURS,

> pal.

>

 

Once me and Tay went up to a construction worker and screamed things

about cheese and hell at him in falsetto. He said "take a walk, pal". It

was on the subway. I will never forget it. You are his minion, you

FUCKING PALMONGER! Next you will be calling people "Guy"!!

 

> >

> > And please don't interpret my post as an accusation of weakness on

> anyone

> > else's part. It isn't intended as such. Anyone who thinks it is, or

> feels

> > the need to attack me or my posts or my logic is reacting and giving

> in to

> > their own internal crap. You can post it if you think it'll make you

> feel

> > better... but it won't. Believe me. All you'd be doing is spreading

> the shit

> > a little wider and thinner. But it doesn't go away that way. It only

> makes

> > it worse.

>

> FUCK LOVE!!! FUCK SEX!!

 

Only the jaded deserve to be raped.

 

>

>

> >

> > Man, mushrooms are great. (Keep in mind, this all came from one trip

> [and a

> > fantastic camping trip / weekend] over 3 months ago.)

> >

>

> Kids. KIDS! Whatcha gonna do with 'em.

>

> Clavister, you're doing FINE for STAGE ONE. What you need to do next

> is

> gobble about 8 four-way hits of ACID -- NOT MUSHROOMS, but LSD 25 --

> and

> then get on the SUBWAY and TRAVEL RANDOMLY through your city of New

> York.

> ESCHEW the "FEAR" and GROK the "LOVE." You will begin to see the OTHER

>

> LEVELS of your precious "love."

>

 

I have done this. Okay, so it was Boston, okay. But give me the LSD and

I will do it in new york. Wearing an alien costume. Love is very easy

to come by when you are svoove to the mainline, no matter a na Stangic

naysay and NO FOOLIN

 

> EH... EH... EH.

>

> Legume, we got another live one. Ginsu was a washout, but maybe this

> loveburger will be worth experimenting on.

>

> OOOPS! There I go, being "negative" again! How "Saturnian" of me.

>

> Peace, baby!

>

>

 

It is not "negative" to consume human flesh. However, to be a Mexican,

such as Ivan Stang (actually Ivano Mendez), yes, very negative. Alas the

once sacred scribe, eaten by his own hat.

 

--

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From i.stang@metronet.com Tue Dec 02 16:02:20 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang)

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:02:20 -0600

 

In article <65m4b5$5gg@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, the Grand Clavister

<clavis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 

> So one of the things I realized is that the whole Janor-inspired running gag

> about how SubGenii are to all harvest and promote and nurture their HATE is

> satirical and easily as WRONG WRONG WRONG as the bit in tBotSG about Con

> religion-style mass-"Bob"-worship.

 

 

etc.

 

On second thought, I've been too hard on Clavister. He has no problem that

7,000 hours of interrogation by fascist cop monsters, with his balls in an

electrified vice-grip, wouldn't fix.

 

 

"Love." If you're gonna go around telling everybody you "love" them, New

Age style, you'd better be ready to back it up! BEND OVER, CLAVISTER --

AGAIN!!

 

(Stang flips love-chip off Clavister's shoulder as he prepares to savagely

butt-fuck the fool.)

 

(Clavister thinks, "Stang is TINY and AGED... I could probably CRUSH this

obnoxious nasty little wimp with ONE HAND!... (gulp) *OOPS!* BAD

THOUGHT!!")

 

Go ahead, man. Lay some passive resistance on me, ya HIPPIE LIBERAL!!!

 

 

YOU DON'T "INTERPRET" THE WORD OF DOBBS!!! IF DOBBS SAYS "HATE" and

"GENOCIDE", that's EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS!!!

 

*DUH!!!*

 

I love you, Clavister. And I'm sorry you got in the crossfire when my Nic

patch fell off, back in 1996, I really am. You're not bad for a DUMB CALLOW

YOUTH.

 

You MEAN well.

 

Hitler was a New Age vegetarian love dude who meant well, too!

 

BOTTOM LINE: CLAVISTER=HITLER

 

Case closed.

 

--

Copyright 1997 by Rev. Ivan Stang / 1st Orthodox Stangian

MegaFisTemple Lodge of People's Covenant Church of the

Wrath of Dobbs Yeti, Resurrected / The SubGenius Foundation,Inc.

PO Box 140306 Dallas TX 75214 / Fax 214-320-1561 / PRABOB

http://www.subgenius.com -- SubSITE of Slack

 

From FeralOne@Infinity.Org Tue Dec 02 19:32:28 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: FeralOne@Infinity.Org (Lady.One.Eighty)

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 03:32:28 GMT

 

On Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:02:20 -0600, in

<i.stang-ya02408000R0212971802200001@snews.zippo.com> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote, in

alt.slack:

 

^YOU DON'T "INTERPRET" THE WORD OF DOBBS!!! IF DOBBS SAYS "HATE" and

^"GENOCIDE", that's EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS!!!

 

Hey d00d, like I know who you are and all, but I just gotta

say this. If I wanna LOVE, then betcha by golly wow, I'm

gonna just go and LOVE!!1! Get that? And I'm not about to

let some Bobalink get in my way, cuz my LOVE is every bit

as IMPORTANT to ME as your HATE or whatever you want to

call the shit is to YOU. Dig? So's Dobbsy Baby can say "HATE"

or "GENOCIDE" or "DOIDYHEAD" all he wants to, see. What's

it to me? NADA NADA NADA!!1! And if it gives me Slack, you

can all cram it up sideways, cuz I AIN'T GIVIN' NONE OF IT

BACK! But I might give you a great big *CUDDLEZ*. No reason.

 

^*DUH!!!*

 

YM "<eholmes> DUH!!! </eholmes>". HTH.

 

 

^Hitler was a New Age vegetarian love dude who meant well, too!

 

Bet me. He wouldn't eat his brussels sprouts. Just like

certain Republicrat presidents I could name. And if you

don't eat your veggies, you can't possibly mean well,

because the two go hand in hand.

 

That's why when the politicians get together for some

casual time, they always have a barbecue. Pure meat.

Oh, they nibble on a piece of bread or two, but that

token salad bowl with the limp iceberg and the 3 slivers

off a carrot gets so lonely it starts fantasizing about

becoming a Maytag repairman.

 

Do you eat your broccoli, Ivan? I advise it. I really do.

 

^BOTTOM LINE: CLAVISTER=HITLER

 

Just for that, I'm sending Clavister ALL my keys. I hope

he'll come let me in the door until I get new ones.

 

 

LOE

 

PS Oh, I almost forgot. These are for you. =D =D =D

 

*hugs*wuggles**hugs*cuddles*hugs*snuggles*hugs*wuggles**hugs*cuddles*

*hugglez*snugglez*cuddlez*wugglez*ticklez*flufflez*

*Happyhugglez*SunnySnugglez*ChirpyCuddlez*TeasingTicklez*

*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*hug*

 

 

 

 

--

It's anomalous to preferential existence. This is something we share.

 

http://rampages.onramp.net/~eholmes/

 

From nospamum@radix.net Wed Dec 03 14:46:43 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: nospamum@radix.net (MegaLiz)

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:46:43 GMT

 

FeralOne@Infinity.Org (Lady.One.Eighty) wrote:

 

: On Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:02:20 -0600, in

: <i.stang-ya02408000R0212971802200001@snews.zippo.com> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote, in

: alt.slack:

:

: ^YOU DON'T "INTERPRET" THE WORD OF DOBBS!!! IF DOBBS SAYS "HATE" and

: ^"GENOCIDE", that's EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS!!!

:

: Hey d00d, like I know who you are and all, but I just gotta

 

You DO? Will you tell me who this "Stang" person is? I mean, here he

comes barging into our little nest o' LOVE, buttfucking nice young men

and spewing all sorts of hateful hatestuff about Hitler and

vegetarians with no nicotine. I'd like to know WHO he IS and who he

THINKS he is, by golly. Of all the NERVE.

 

Well, HELL, LOE, I say you just go on and do that LOVE THANG all over

again and just ignore this "Stang" person and his evil, evil, mean,

cowboy-torturing ass.

 

*SMOOTCH*

 

 

-------------------------------------------------------------

Spunky: "Lookit all the foot prints! Lotsa people were here!"

Sparky: "OR it was ONE THING with a jillion feet."

* alt.foot.fat-free: where you can collect yummy cheese!

 

From bg19354@binghamton.edu.NoMoReDaMnSpAm Wed Dec 03 06:04:47 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: bg19354@binghamton.edu.NoMoReDaMnSpAm (Nully Fydyan)

Date: 3 Dec 97 14:04:47 GMT

 

In article <i.stang-ya02408000R0212971802200001@snews.zippo.com>,

i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang) wrote:

 

> YOU DON'T "INTERPRET" THE WORD OF DOBBS!!! IF DOBBS SAYS "HATE" and

> "GENOCIDE", that's EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS!!!

 

And if he says July 5, 1998, that's exactly what he means! Right?

Right? I mean, this is Dobbs, he could possibly ever be wrong, could

he??????

 

Not my messiah savant.

 

--

Rev. Nully Fydyan

Church of the Ungendered Yeti

 

"Yesterday upon the stair i met a man who's never there." -- Billy Bragg

 

From tmcquaker@globalserve.net Wed Dec 03 14:07:22 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: "St. Pasteface" <tmcquaker@globalserve.net>

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:07:22 -0500

 

Nully Fydyan wrote:

 

> In article <i.stang-ya02408000R0212971802200001@snews.zippo.com>,

> i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang) wrote:

>

>

> > YOU DON'T "INTERPRET" THE WORD OF DOBBS!!! IF DOBBS SAYS "HATE" and

> > "GENOCIDE", that's EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS!!!

>

> And if he says July 5, 1998, that's exactly what he means! Right?

> Right? I mean, this is Dobbs, he could possibly ever be wrong, could

> he??????

 

Whip out your calculator quick, this is cool and it goes right along with

this post. Multiply 666 by 3 and see what happens.That's "666 X 3 = ????",

why three you ask, well there are three 6's and 3 is half of 6.

 

I know what your think'n, "Big freak'n deal!"... well I agree.

 

> Not my messiah savant.

>

> --

> Rev. Nully Fydyan

> Church of the Ungendered Yeti

>

> "Yesterday upon the stair i met a man who's never there." -- Billy Bragg

 

--

St. Pasteface (Insanity of alt.slack)

If you feel that should not use the title "Insanity of alt.slack"

let me know. I'm just looking for input, that's all. Hey I can take

constructive critisizm as well as the next guy.

Member of: Church of The Emaculate Screwhead (Approved by Rev. I. Stang)

& Delver of: Chaldean-Hebrew Kabala Numerical Alphabet

 

'I am rather inclined to believe that this is the land G-- gave to Cain.'

--Jacques Cartier (1491-1557)

On Labrador

 

'You will be yet another pawn on this chessboard you call

life. I bind your soul to the mortal realm so you may

play your part in the in the continual struggle. This

is not a gift. As you will see, it can be your curse.'

--I don't know the author of this quote.

I found it, I believe, on ASTARIA (MUD)

If you know who the author is PLEASE!!!! let me know

so I can give them the credit they are due!

 

`In the desert I saw a creature, naked beastial, Who

Who squatting upon the ground, held his heart in his

hands, and ate it.

I said, "Is it good, friend?"

"It is bitter - bitter," he answered; "But I like it

because it is bitter and because it is my heart."'

-- Stephan Crane

 

 

 

From i.stang@metronet.com Tue Dec 02 16:49:50 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang)

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:49:50 -0600

 

In article <65m4b5$5gg@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, the Grand Clavister

<clavis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 

 

> I think, personally, that ULTRAHATE2 stuff came mostly out of Janor's

> routines, and sort of developed a running-gag life of its own. But I don't

> think it really fits with the ideals of Slack; Slack, in my opinion, relates

> a lot more the love than hate. Unfortunately, the HATE stuff might give more

> than a few SubGenii a "rationale" for holding on to their internal fear and

> hate far more than is good for them.

>

 

 

Like a scab, I just can't leave this alone. Must... Keep... PICKING.

 

Not to be flippant about it. Clavister thought long and hard and wrote

well. These are issues that should be tackled.

 

And then when they have been tackled, we should BEAT THE LIVING SHIT out of

them. We should hold them down and POUND them. We should GANG UP and

TORTURE them, BARREL-FUCK'em, WIRE-BRUSH-FUCK 'em. We should LYNCH these

issues wioth BIG RED STRAPS. (No offense, Dave.) We should MARRY, TORMENT

THROUGH SEXUAL ABUSE, and then DIVORCE these issues.

 

Clavister, like Iceknife in some ways, pisses me off for the very reason

that *I can identify with the guy*, not necessarily for reasons I'd BRAG

about. There's something ALL TOO FAMILIAR about this young feller's

homilies. Perhaps it is the sense of EMBARRASSMENT that I feel when I see

someone being so danged NAH-EEVE and "SWEET." (Opposite of Ice-boy.)

Perhaps it is the fact that he always seems to want credit for something he

hasn't actually DONE yet. I KNOW HOW IT IS!!! And it's a mess. I wasn't

anywhere near this mean and cynical when I was Clavister's age.

 

I take that back. I'll let LET'S VISIT THE WORLD OF THE FUTURE speak for

me. My HATE REMAINS!!! I WAS always this hateful. I was way punk before

punk was punk, and I'm PROUD OF IT! For a love hippie.

 

But seriously. It all sounds so "GROOVY" when you talk about "love." The

proof, however, is in the PUDDIN'. How much stick-to-it-ive-ness do you

really have? How many years did you stay with that sick spouse? How many

years did you put up with somebody else's DISEASE? (Ask Newt!!)If you've

been sitting there spewing homilies in a void, they're... just homilies.

It's real easy to preach love if you're a youngster whose bills are paid,

with no dependents, no responsibilities, nothing but a great WISH to share

with everyone.

 

Tarla? Prophet? Back me up on this. You worked your ass off and raised

kids. It just GROSSES ME OUT to see some VAPID SHALLOW KID spew such

philosophy with such little to back it up.

 

 

FUCK the loveburgers. FUCK the nice-hearted liberal dumb-asses. Fuck MOST

OF ALL the CONSERVATIVES who created such monsters through their

UNBELIEVABLY BLATANT and SELF DELUDING LIES, that CAUSED this whole fucked

up sytem to EXIST.

 

KILL!!! KILL!!!

 

 

CRUSH AND DESTROY!!!

 

 

SXFCGJHKNM!!!

 

 

Uh... eh... um.

 

 

Oklie Doke-lie, I feel better now.

 

--

Copyright 1997 by Rev. Ivan Stang / 1st Orthodox Stangian

MegaFisTemple Lodge of People's Covenant Church of the

Wrath of Dobbs Yeti, Resurrected / The SubGenius Foundation,Inc.

PO Box 140306 Dallas TX 75214 / Fax 214-320-1561 / PRABOB

http://www.subgenius.com -- SubSITE of Slack

 

From !!!bmyers@ionet.net Wed Dec 03 13:00:30 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: !!!bmyers@ionet.net (TarlaStar)

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:00:30 GMT

 

i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang) wrote:

 

>Tarla? Prophet? Back me up on this. You worked your ass off and raised

>kids. It just GROSSES ME OUT to see some VAPID SHALLOW KID spew such

>philosophy with such little to back it up.

 

Everybody want what dey ain't got. I gots plenty of love, now I seeks

to balance it out wit de hate. You heard that ole saying about anyone

who isn't a liberal at twenty and a conservative at 40 is an idiot?

Well dey both wrong! It's real easy to call for love when 1) you ain't

got none 2) you have yet to meet half the assholes you're gonna meet

in your life. I'm looking forward to being TWICE this hateful when I'm

eighty. But thanks to modern technology, I'll only look half the age I

am now!

 

>FUCK the loveburgers. FUCK the nice-hearted liberal dumb-asses. Fuck MOST

>OF ALL the CONSERVATIVES who created such monsters through their

>UNBELIEVABLY BLATANT and SELF DELUDING LIES, that CAUSED this whole fucked

>up sytem to EXIST.

 

Don't get me started on my own damned generation, Stanky. It'll just

piss me off even more, and I already turn heads when I walk into a

room just from the stench of bile and brimstone. Lying, pussies who

wimped out on their own ideals when they found out how hard it was

actually going to be to change things or be what they wanted to be.

'Course I'm not much better...but even a LITTLE bit better is reason

enough for me to be superior about it all. I hate 'em all, from the

PBS progamming managers with hemp backpacks and soft eyes to the

utility sport vehicle driving lawyers and MBA's who turned into what

they were supposed to change.

 

I know two people in my life who are at 40+ what they said they'd be

when they were twenty, and one other one who isn't exactly what she'd

liked to have been but is still the same excellent person. She just

had a string of bad luck.

 

And don't talk to me about kids. After yesterday, I was thinking about

killing him, and burying his body in a shallow grave in the woods,

then going on T.V. and looking real real sad and asking the world to

"bring home my baby!" Fortunately for him, I took a Xanax instead.

 

 

Damn, I miss my frappy!

 

 

*********

"...or shall I wear red yes and how he kissed me under the

Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and

then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he

asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first

I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he

could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going

like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."- J. Joyce

 

 

From clavis@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 03 21:01:22 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: clavis@ix.netcom.com

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:01:22 -0600

 

In article <i.stang-ya02408000R0212971849500001@snews.zippo.com>,

i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang) wrote:

>

> In article <65m4b5$5gg@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, the Grand Clavister

> <clavis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>

> > I think, personally, that ULTRAHATE2 stuff came mostly out of Janor's

> > routines, and sort of developed a running-gag life of its own. But I don't

> > think it really fits with the ideals of Slack; Slack, in my opinion, relates

> > a lot more the love than hate. Unfortunately, the HATE stuff might give more

> > than a few SubGenii a "rationale" for holding on to their internal fear and

> > hate far more than is good for them.

>

> Clavister, like Iceknife in some ways, pisses me off for the very reason

> that *I can identify with the guy*, not necessarily for reasons I'd BRAG

> about. There's something ALL TOO FAMILIAR about this young feller's

> homilies. Perhaps it is the sense of EMBARRASSMENT that I feel when I see

> someone being so danged NAH-EEVE and "SWEET." (Opposite of Ice-boy.)

>...

> But seriously. It all sounds so "GROOVY" when you talk about "love." The

> proof, however, is in the PUDDIN'. How much stick-to-it-ive-ness do you

> really have? How many years did you stay with that sick spouse? How many

> years did you put up with somebody else's DISEASE? (Ask Newt!!)If you've

> been sitting there spewing homilies in a void, they're... just homilies.

> It's real easy to preach love if you're a youngster whose bills are paid,

> with no dependents, no responsibilities, nothing but a great WISH to share

> with everyone.

 

Stang, you're full of shit on this and you know it. If you really thought

about what you were typing, you wouldn't've posted it.

 

First of all, you were taking a big chance by assuming that I couldn't be

turned on by the idea of love unless I had lived some sort of flawless,

charmed life, free of strife and hardship. Well, I haven't. I'm in credit

card bills up to my ass. I'm two months behind in my rent. I lost my

father 4 years ago to cancer of the everything. I haven't had sex in two

years, and I sometimes can't get it up when I get the chance to.

 

And yet I extol Love anyway. What a concept.

 

> Tarla? Prophet? Back me up on this. You worked your ass off and raised

> kids. It just GROSSES ME OUT to see some VAPID SHALLOW KID spew such

> philosophy with such little to back it up.

 

So does the fact that I'm "spewing" this philosophy invalidate the

thousands, if not millions, of other people who have spewed the same

philosophy? You think I think I _originated_ this?

 

Was John Lennon a shallow, vapid, naive boy when he wrote "All You Need

Is Love"? Or when he spent millions of dollars on billboards advertising

peace as a viable alternative? Did he become cynical and resigned to a

life filled with bile and shit as he reached his ascension, or did he

become ever more vehement about love being the answer?

 

Stang, you probably know way better than I that Saint Bill Hicks ended

his stand-up act with a reminder that our lives are a choice between love

and fear. Which did he prefer? The man hated such things as advertising

and ignorance ONLY BECAUSE he loved so much. Do you think he gave up on

love when he found out he was dying?

 

Stang, you _yourself_ have ranted that Normals say, "Hey! There's

something new and different! Kill it! Destroy it! Get it away from me!",

whereas True SubGenii say, "Hey! There's something new and different! I

want to know more! I'm interested in that!" It's the same fucking choice

Saint Bill gave us, man: the choice between love and fear. Slack IS Love.

It's being aware and open and accepting and comfortable and at one with

something, or someone, or anything or anyone. Check out your own

literature, man. With the EXCEPTION of the parts that specifically make

all the jokes about HHAATTEE, Slack is very much described as a form of

Love.

 

I don't know whether you feel threatened, or jealous, or resentful or

envious or just plain bummed out by my post, but it's plainly obvious,

upon inspection, that it's some kind of internal SHIT that made you post

what you did. And the fact that you posted three or four responses makes

it plainly obvious. I'm not pointing this out to mock you. I just know

how fucking easy it is to get pissed off and defensive over nothing.

Becoming aware of that is an important step in avoiding it. And I know I

haven't become Buddha or anything, Stang. I don't know that I can

maintain this healthy attitude forever, or even the next time something

really bad happens. But I have found something that really excites me and

makes me feel good and healthy and strong and that doesn't fill me with

shit. And I want to share that good feeling with all of you out there,

because (with the exception of the really good AI's) you're all human

beings and I love you. Even you, Stang. And because it gives me Slack to

feel this way, and I'm sure that a lot of the people here in alt.slack

that have truly had Slack in their lives had Slack with a generous

helping of love in it, and so I think it might ring true for them.

 

And don't think I've become a "loveburger". That routine about how I

can't think the "BAD THOUGHT" of kicking your ass is ridiculous. Like I

said before... I don't have to like you; I don't have to help you; I

don't even have to not beat the everloving shit out of you if I have to

(so don't make me have to). All I have to do... and THIS is LOVE,

Stang... is respect you as a human being _just like me_. That's it. And

you are. I know; I met you twice. You've got a wife, you've got kids,

you've got dogs, fer Chrissake. You're a person. All I've gotta do is

remember that... to treat the people I don't know as people just like the

people I do know... and I can't go wrong.

 

In the face of love, Mistuh Stang, your posts about ripping my balls off

and rubbing my face in razor wire seem like nothing but protests

originating from fear and insecurity. And I know that's exactly what they

are.

 

Wow. I can probably drive you apoplectic by telling you that, no matter

what you do, I still love you. And I don't even have to worship Jesus H.

Christ. OR "Bob".

 

 

the Grand Clavister

 

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From n@n.slo Thu Dec 04 01:25:59 1997

Newsgroups: alt.slack

Subject: Re: Love

From: NENSLO <n@n.slo>

Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 01:25:59 -0800

 

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:

 

> I take that back. I'll let LET'S VISIT THE WORLD OF THE FUTURE speak for

> me. My HATE REMAINS!!! I WAS always this hateful. I was way punk before

> punk was punk, and I'm PROUD OF IT! For a love hippie.

 

> Tarla? Prophet? Back me up on this. You worked your ass off and raised

> kids. It just GROSSES ME OUT to see some VAPID SHALLOW KID spew such

> philosophy with such little to back it up.

 

HateKing Nenslo will back you up on this one grampaw, if you will just..

ungh.. move your other leg over here and.. uh.. there, okay now bend a

little more... aaaahhh, there.

 

I KNOW how ieasy it is to get all romantic about love and think it would

be just so swell and peachy to love the shit out of even the most

shitful bastards and bastardesses, and then FAIL OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO

KEEP FROM HATING THEM AND PLAYING THAT RAPE-MURDER FANTASY MOVIE OVER

AND OVER IN YOUR HEAD.

I embrace the concept of universal compassion for ALL creatures, not

out of shiny-eyed optimism or warm-heartedness, but because it is the

GREATEST CHALLENGE I EVER SHALL FACE, the greatest opportunity to strive

for self-mastery, and the nifteiest opportunity I may ever have to spite

my sickening weakling foes by lying in bed before rising every morning

and picturing, for example, the alcohol-bloated physiognomy of, say, B*b

Bl*ck and SURROUNDING HIM WITH A GLOW OF LOVE AND LIGHT, yes, PRAYING

for that vicious hateful hunk of reeking human trash and wishing him

peace, happiness and success in all positive endeavors. Yeah, any

crystalworshipping rainbow-hued newager can love NICE things, PRETTY

things, even abstract suffering folks in foreign lands, but it takes

real genitals to FORCE yourself to SINCERELY LOVE vile evil vermin and

malicious spitefu creeps, drunks, losers and failures.

 

Hate is like gravity - it's so fun and easy to fall and keep falling

that ANY WORM can do it. It's only EXTRA SPECIAL worms who can

transform themselves in the fires of hell and arise on creaking leathern

wings of LOVE.