Date: 09 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT
From: Pee Kitty <Pkitty@mariner.cris.com>
Organization: Dobbstown Sane Asylum
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8
Talking to a fellow ICP fan about his personal religion prompted him
posting this FAQ on it. I found it pretty interesting, and maybe someone
here will, too. If not, bring a squirt gun to XX-Day and snipe me from
behind in protest.
[ Article reposted from alt.music.insane-clown-posse ]
[ Author was Crib Rat <Crib@Rat.cum> ]
[ Posted on Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:35:21 GMT ]
What is Paradoxism?
What is a paradox?
What's Paradoxism all about?
Why be Paradoxist?
Ok, so how does it work? Like, are there meetings or anything . . ?
Give me an example of something paradoxical.
Ok - so how does Paradoxism help the world?
How do Paradoxists feel about theologies, philosophies, or beliefs?
What do I have to do to become one?
How do I contact other Paradoxists?
How do I know you're not just making all this stuff up, huh?
Do you have any special views on death?
You don't really seem to know very much . . .
Where can I learn more about it?
Why did you make this website?
How can I make one explaining my theology, philosophy, or belief?
Ok - I guess I know all about Paradoxism now. Thanks.
~What is Paradoxism?
Some say it's a cross between Laveyan Satanism and atheism. Others say it's
just believing in nothing. Still others have said it's Relative
Existentialism. A Paradoxist might describe it as a disbelief. In truth I'm
not really sure exactly what it is. I haven't seen any universal book of
exacting definitions. So I guess you have to read everything here if you
want to make an informed decision for yourself.
~What is a paradox?
My personal definition of a paradox is something that proves itself to be
impossible, but still exists. So even though it's impossible it exists
anyway. However, my dictionary (a wicked heavy book - The Random House
Dictionary of the English Language, unabridged and printed in 1970). It
says this for 'Paradox':
par-a-dox (par'e doks'), n. 1. a statement or proposition seemingly
self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expressing a possible truth. 2.
a self-contradictory and false proposition. 3. any person, thing, or
situation exhibiting a self-contradictory nature. 4. an opinion or
statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion. [<L paradox(um) < Gk
parádoxon, n. use of neut. or parádoxos unbelievable, lit., beyond what is
thought. See para-1, orthodox] -par' a-dox' al, adj. -par' a-dox'
i-cal-ly, adv. -par' a-dox' i-cal-ness, -par' a-dox' i-cal-ity, n. -par'
a-dox-ol' o-gy, n.
Hmm I like my definition better :Þ
~What's Paradoxism all about?
It's really simple.
Question: "How did the universe come to exist?"
Answer A: "God made it, damnit!" Refusal: "So what made God? Zion? What
made that? What caused it to always be there and why?"
Answer B: "Um, like the Big Bang or something, right?" Refusal: "So what
caused the Big Bang?"
Answer C: "It's just always been there, hehehe . . ." Refusal: "What caused
that situation to occur? And why did it occur as molecules and magnetics
specifically instead of something else? Why have life on planets if there
is no rhyme or reason?"
Point: So no matter how you look at it, something at some point had to
spontainiously exist. There is no other logical alternative from what we
can currently understand.
Problem: Spontainious generation is impossible! You can't just suddenly
have something from nothing. And if you did - why? And where did the
something come from? Somewhere else? Where did that come from? and so on
and so on . . .
Outcome: What you get is a text-book definition of a paradox, no matter how
you look at it. But that's not what Paradoxism is about.
Definition: It's about nothing at all. I'll explain: since you can't exist,
but yet you do, then isn't one explanation as good as another since they're
all impossible anyway? It might as well be God or a Big Bang or Cosmic
Permenence. So since it doesn't matter which one to follow when one is no
better than the other it all becomes just a matter of personal preference.
Some like Christianity, others prefer Buddhism. But a Paradoxist
acknowledges that these beliefs cannot be 'universally true' so he or she
doesn't worry about all the dogma relative to that stuff. They just do what
they do and basically live like atheists - except they thought a little
deeper about things and have a superior perspective (in my opinion).
For example, I love having fun. It's the most important thing in my life.
So I have lots of fun whenever I feel like it. And I do whatever feels fun
for me. If sex or drugs are fun, I do them. But if I thought of going and
pushing someone off a cliff was fun and I did that then I would be
arrested. And I know that would happen so I don't do it. So there is room
for logic, even though the disbelief totally lacks dogma or commandments.
The morality comes from common sense, not lore. But if there was no law and
I thought pushing someone off a cliff was fun I would do it. Why feel bad
about pleasure? Of course, that's an extreme example, and if the world were
filled by people who liked pushing each other off cliffs then we'd be out
of people pretty quick. But if they thought giving each other gifts now and
then was fun (plus helping each other out at times) then there would be a
world filled with very happy people. Since there cannot be any Supreme
Universal right or wrong you must decide for yourself what is right or
wrong for you. But be aware that there are always consequences, whether
'good' or 'bad', to your actions. And that's the entire disbelief, plain
and simple. There is no dogma or 'Way to be' or 'Path to Enlightenment'.
You don't even have to do what you want to do. There is absolutely nothing
required. Like I said before, kind of like true atheism, but a little
simpler yet somehow more in-depth. Although for me, Paradoxism is a very
hedonistic disbelief, but then again, I admitted I like to have fun didn't
~Why be Paradoxist?
Because anything else is following someone else's utopia - someone else's
rules. A predetermined path you did not create but must nevertheless
follow. Kind of like letting someone else pick out your clothes. You may
like their sense of fashion, but the styles they pick out for you day to
day won't always correspond with your mood that day. So while the dogma of
a theology, philosophy, or even simple belief can be very appealing, all in
all it cannot be perfect for you (unless you designed it solely for
yourself). Otherwise you must adapt to it.
So why not just change one or two things and make it perfect for you? It
seems to be up to each one of us to choose what we believe. And what we
believe is a large part of who we are . . . However, this document is
dedicated to explaining Paradoxism, not promoting it, so that's enough of
that I think.
~Ok, so how does it work? Like, are there meetings or anything . . ?
Not that I know of. Why meet? What would we talk about?
"Gee, we sure can't exist but yet we do, huh."
"It sure is kinda weird . . . I wonder if there ever will be an answer to
how we got here . . ?"
"I don't care."
"You're right . . . if that is ever known I'll deal with it then. No sense
in worrying about it now, eh?"
~Give me an example of something paradoxical.
Yuck, that's like totally unfair. Oh well I'll try . . . After all, I'm
making up these questions :Þ
* The creation of the universe.
* The fact that anything has density when supposedly there is a finite size
of sub-atomic particles, which
are composed of energy (electromagnetic energy (light) perhaps?) If
there was no finite size, then no two
things would ever touch. Explanation: Apple is one billion lightyears
from Banana. Apple halves the
distance to Banana every second. Banana does not move at all. After a
few moments Apple is not so far
from Banana. One second later it's twice as close. Pretty soon it's only
a foot away. Then six inches.
Then three. Then one and a half. Then three-quarters of an inch. After a
little more it's .0001 inches
away. Then .000001 centimeters away. But it will never reach it, just
keep getting closer and closer and
closer because matter is infinite. But matter isn't infinite - things
touch. So what is matter ultimately
composed of? Light? Motion? Polyester?
* This is not paradoxical, but I don't care. Here it is: The fact that I'm
me instead of someone - or no one
at all. What decided who I am - and that I must be anyone? Why isn't my
body just another face in the
crowd that I don't control or have access to? I can read my mind and
control my body because I am me,
but why aren't I you? Why can't I read your mind and control your body?
Why this body and mind in
particular? I like contemplating :Þ It's why I'm a Paradoxist.
* Paradoxism itself is paradoxical - and that's the best example of them
all I think.
~Ok - so how does Paradoxism help the world?
It is an alternative to dogma. It's an answer (but not necessarily a
resolution) to the oldest question "Why are we here?" that is simple,
direct, and does not use any sort of rituals or demands to control the
follower or lead him or her to 'enlightenment'. Personally I feel
enlightenment can be found in anything - pleasure, pain, withdrawal,
participation, sleep, fear, madness, reason, debauchery, chastity . . .
anything. So Paradoxism basically says "You don't have to pray, you don't
have to fear," while replacing the absence those dogmas left with nothing
but encouragement for the individual to be fulfilled in him or herself
without feeling something is missing. There is no explicable answer why we
are here. And thousands of people have to worship statues, symbols, books,
planets, or whatever because they need some sort of answer. So, in my
opinion, Paradoxism helps the world by offering an alternative to that sort
~How do Paradoxists feel about theologies, philosophies, beliefs?
I think they're fine, but I can't speak for anyone else. Most people need
dogma. There's nothing wrong with it. It seems to keep people happy I
guess. I don't feel it's necessary to change the world or get rid of all
the Christians or the Muslems or the Taoists. I have no oppressor. I hope
other Paradoxists feel the same way, although naturally they wouldn't have
~What do I have to do to become one?
Anyone who asks that just isn't getting it.
~How do I contact other Paradoxists?
I haven't the slightest clue. I've tried, but there aren't any Paradoxist
websites or chatrooms that I know of. Besides, what would you talk about? I
guess if it is really important to you then you'll find a way. I am not all
that interested in meeting or contacting other Paradoxists - we'd probably
just end up ragging on religions anyway hehe :Þ
~How do I know you're not just making all this stuff up, huh?
I could be. Even if I said I wasn't - or said I was - how would you know
either way? So why worry about it - it has no provable answer! (This, by
the way, is a response which contains what I feel is the essence of
Paradoxism - at least for me). And anyway I already said I was making it
~Do you have any special views on death?
Nope. I have no idea what happens when I die, but my logic (based entirely
on what I currently percieve as possible) tells me that it will probably be
like being in a very deep sleep, but forever. My life will be over and I'll
never percieve anything again. So I don't worry about death, because it
happens to us all eventually - and when it does then I'm dead with nothing
to worry about. But these are just my views, and have nothing to do with
Paradoxism in of themselves.
~You don't really seem know very much . . .
I'm sorry this document isn't more informative. However, considering the
subject at hand there is precious little to explain.
~Where can I learn more about it?
You can't - there is no more. This is all of it, so you'll have to learn
for yourself by experiencing it. See - it's so simple. If I told you more
about what I thought about it, I would just be me telling you my
preferences and pleasures and not The Right Way To Be (whatever that is).
There is no universal right or wrong - there never was and never will be
(how could there be?) So what the disbelief is about is different for
everyone because everyone's different. One Paradoxist could gas fifty
babies to death and grin about it - even when he himself is put on death
row. And he could say he learned about it. Another Paradoxist could go
around in a t-shirt and blue jeans eating berries in the woods and not
paying taxes. He could say he learned about it. Still another could just
hold a regular job and do what he wants and not worry about if he is
following his 'belief' correctly. He could say he learned about it. What do
these three have in common? Nothing - that's the point. Ultimately, I think
you should decide for yourself what's right and wrong for you to learn more
~Why did you make this document?
I made it so people would quit asking me "What's that?" when I tell them
I'm a Paradoxist.
~How can I make a site explaining my theology, philosophy, or belief?
Just ask someone who knows how. Meet someone on IRC. Go to a chatroom and
ask around, you're sure to find someone. And if you ask really nicely they
might say yes. But it would help to get to know them first. Website design
normally costs money. The fact that this isn't on a site is only because I
don't see it worth the bother - I'd rather just e-mail it to curious
people. But anyway, to make a site takes a little time and finesse. But
there's plenty of books on the subject and some software for setting up
websites. Put forth some effort and you'll find a way ^_^
~Ok - I guess I know all about Paradoxism now. Thanks.
You're welcome. After all, that's why the document is here ^_^
Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian
"Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it
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