Ingo Swann on CIA/ESP connection
I found this in alt.org.cia last night, very interesting reading!
1 December 1995
Statement by Ingo Swann on Remote Viewing
I refer to:
1- CIA Public Affairs Bureau release of a statement concerning Remote
Viewing dated 6 September 1995 (which is available via the WWW)
2- The ABC TV Nightline show of 28 November 1995 (hosted by Ted Koppel)
Since these two events, I have been besieged by many telephone
calls and requests for interviews. I have decided that the most efficient
way to respond is to prepare this general statement which addresses the
basic issues of the involvement of the intelligence/military communities
with remote viewing.
A good place to begin this statement is to unequivocally state
that nothing being reported in this latest 1995 flap is new news. Media
coverage was quite extensive during the 1970s decade regarding this issue.
Jack Anderson's syndicated columns usually had the scoop, but all
the news services picked up the lead a day or two later. These include
the Associated Press (AP) and the Washington Post, etc., who are claiming
new discovery, but which venerable institutions apparently haven't
bothered to check their own archives of published materials. Several
competent books were also published during the 1970s and early 1980s. I,
however, maintain a nearly complete archive of all published materials I
am referring to here.
Hardly anything I've seen or read in the media during the last two
weeks is new news, and all of it has been reported on before, including
the fact that several intelligence agencies were involved in so-called
"psychic research." The present media, therefore, are re-sensationalizing
(i.e. re-hashing) old news, probably for the novelty of hype or the
benefit of ratings and shares.
There is one difference, though. This regards the "spin" being
loaded into today's media frenzy. This spin is different from the more
factual one of the 1970s. To understand it requires a little background
Between 1969 and 1971, American intelligence sources began
discovering and confirming that the Soviet Union was deeply engaged in
so-called "psychic research." By 1970, it was discovered that the Soviets
were spending approximately 60 million rubles per year on it, and over 300
million by 1975.
However, the Soviets were not conducting research into what the
West means by "psychic research." The term for their general concept of
the research was "psychotronics."
This was a Soviet neologism, and English has no near equivalent.
So reporters glibly assumed that psychotronics and psychic stuff amounted
to the same thing.
A clarification is, therefore, necessary. The nearest English
equivalent is "mind (psycho) energy applications (-tronics)," with
emphasis on "applications."
The new English equivalent became "psychoenergetics," but which
term does not convey "applications." "Applied psychoenergetics" would be
The amount of money and personnel involved in the Soviet
psychotronics clearly confirmed that they were serious about it and had
already achieved breakthroughs which justified the increases in
expenditures and tightest security.
American intelligence analysts were appalled and embarrassed that
the Soviets (KGB and GRU), were involved in topics considered in the USA
as speculative, controversial, and fringy. But they were alarmed at the
prospect that the Soviets would "get ahead." And so the phrase 'the
psychic warfare gap" came into existence.
The intelligence community was well aware that "psychotronics"
meant an "applied" something, something psychically aggressive with real
applications, something threatening to the well-being and security of the
In response to this, and with Congressional approval to do so, the
intelligence community then involved itself with researching this threat
-- the threat analysis of Soviet-applied psychotronics. It is, after all,
the established and expected duty of the intelligence community to examine
and research all threats to the security of the nation.
This is to say that the intelligence community did not conduct
psychic research and go out on a limb just for the hell of it. In fact,
that community never did psychic research. What it did was to assess the
threat of the Soviet efforts.
This is not just splitting hairs. There is a very big difference.
All media reports of the 1970s correctly identified the purpose of
this threat analysis, albeit with a good deal of joking and amusement.
At the time, this threat analysis was perfectly justified,
completely necessary, and unquestionably required in behalf of the
well-being of the nation.
All personnel involved with this situation considered that they
were working on behalf of the nation and its security -- and future
discoveries regarding invasive penetration by psychoenergetic means --
clearly confirmed the reality of the threat. Even most of the 1970s media
concluded that the work was necessary, even if it was funny and ridiculous
according to Western anti-psychic traditions.
The most authoritative and publicly available Western book on psi
warfare was by Martin Ebon, published as Psychic Warfare: Threat or
Illusion? (1983). Documents still classified tell an even more
The present 1995 media versions of this effort have slid out of
this particular important focus which made the effort understandable in
the 1970s. The 1995 focus has detached from the cold war and exclusively
hypes the sensationalistic aspects.
This largely hype-deliberate change of focus is not only just
trivializing. It is disgusting -- and cruel to all those past workers who
did that strange work to defend the nation and its security. Hardly any
of those past workers can come forward with the cold war facts because
they are patriotic and still bound by their security oaths.
On the Nightline TV show of 28 November 1995, Mr. Robert Gates,
former director of the CIA, estimated that the intelligence community had
invested about $20 million over the sixteen-year period during which the
threat was under examination.
Well. During the mid-1970s, the government paid a manufacturer
about $65 each for hammers which could be bought in a hardware store for
$2.95. The Pentagon invested $60 million for new toilet seat designs,
none of which worked better than the ones you and I use.
A great deal was learned for those $20 million, and our nation
received a lot back for the buck spent.
And this knowledge, although somewhat on the shelf now, will soon
come in handy, again.
Several quite respectable sources have informed me that two major
nations are making advances in psychoenergetics applications, one of which
is remote viewing. It is also being alleged that a third smaller nation,
with well known and advertised hatred of the American Way of Life, is also
I believe those sources, because I know that liberated Russia sold
for big bucks the Soviet psychic secrets three times over in order to
acquire needed foreign exchange monies.
**Remote viewing was researched in response to the fact that the
Soviet Union was engaged in large scale research into psychotronic
applications phenomena. The national security implications of failure to
match a technological breakthrough by the Soviets is obvious. In this
respect, the remote viewing research was a product of the Cold War, and is
analogous to myriad other projects.
**Initial research was carried out at the very prestigious
Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Certain psychically-gifted individuals
were able to describe distant locations, often with amazing accuracy.
**With this fact established, the military/intelligence community
approved further funding. Research continued, but the main effort soon
switched to development (applications), based on two key findings. First,
remote viewing ability is latent in nearly all humans. Second, it is
possible to teach ordinary people to perform remote viewing.
**Groups of students recruited form the ranks of the funding
client agencies were trained at SRI. Their mission was to gather data,
using remote viewing, regarding targets of special interest to the client
agencies. Usually, these were targets inside the Soviet Union that had
resisted the standard intelligence gathering techniques.
**The 15% accuracy cited in recent public statements on behalf of
the CIA is the baseline which ordinary non-gifted and untrained persons
often do achieve. This figure was identified very early in the SRI
research phase. The minimum accuracy needed by the clients was 65%. In
the later stages of the development (training) part of the effort, this
accuracy level was achieved and often consistently exceeded.
**Throughout the period of my personal involvement (1972-1988),
oversight and monitoring teams from the client agencies were in constant
attendance. These teams consisted of multi-discipline scientific
professionals, some being leaders of their disciplines, and drawn from
just about every scientific field. Over the years, representatives of
these teams were rotated, with replacements coming in.
**During the sixteen-year time span involved, approximately 500
representatives of these oversight teams identified flaws and strengths in
the effort. With this intense scrutiny, the program continued to be
approved, tested, and ultimately utilized by testing various kinds of
experimental and real-time applications. Thus, it seems at variance with
the oversight committees' facts that the CIA suggests that remote viewing
was "unpromising." But, as is well known, there are various levels to all
**Per the definition used by the client military and intelligence
agencies, and as I identified it at SRI, developed (or trained) remote
viewing is a highly-specialized technique. However, the term has been
adopted unfairly and incorrectly to include almost any sort of psychic
endeavor. This clouds the public mind as to what remote viewing really
**The key players in the development, training and use of remote
viewing remain under the strictest security constraints. They can't talk,
but I, at least, honor them for their commitment to the welfare of the
Nation even if within a controversial area. Similarly, the documentation
supporting the real story is archived under top security wraps.
So, there you have it. Detach the topic of remote viewing from
the threat analysis regarding nations who have motives against our own --
and yes! you can have a media circus, and spin doctors can gain
pseudo-points and amuse and entertain the gullible public.
However, remote viewers did help find SCUD missiles, did help find
secret biological and chemical warfare projects, did locate tunnels and
extensive underground facilities and identify their purposes. Not all of
the time, of course, and sometimes imperfectly so.
From the top of our system on down, there are many who could stand
up and be counted regarding the efficiency of developed remote viewing,
and even regarding superior natural psychics. It has been circulated in
the intelligence community that successful remote viewing sessions
probably saved the nation a billion-plus dollars in what otherwise would
have been wasted, or misdirected, activities. Not a bad payback for the
Why do they not stand up and be counted? For the most part, they
are afraid of being taken apart in e press, afraid of being ridiculed for
doing their duty in an area of threat analysis which was completely
justified. This fear is not their fault. It is the fault of our
unthinking and irresponsible popular culture.
I now direct your attention to "successful remote viewing," and
ask you to wonder if it can exist. Begin by considering psychics who
successfully help the police. Add to that success some quite good remote
viewing training. Then consider that what is a bit possible in natural
psychics might be understood, developed, and then trained.
Now assume that a "little-bit-psychic" can become a
"whole-lot-psychic" -- and you come up with the "eight martini result."
Those of you who witnessed the Nightline TV show of 28 November
1995, will recall an individual said to be from the CIA, but identified
only by the name "Norm."
Mr. Robert Gates had just finished saying that remote viewing was
unpromising. But when it came "Norm's" time to talk, he began saying
something like, "Well, if it's the Eight-Martini Results you want to talk
about, I won't talk about them."
What, then, is an "eight-martini" result? Well, this is an
intelligence community in-house term for remote viewing data so good that
it cracks everyone's realities. So they have to go out and drink eight
martinis to recover. Remoter viewing does have its amusing aspects, you
Regardless of official and media misdirecting, the general world
knows now that remote viewing exists. Soon other nations will utilize it
for their own interests.
So official and media misdirecting is shooting Uncle Sam in his
feet -- just for the hell of it and a few sensationalizing laughs.
But some insiders know that soon a new psi-threat analysis will be
necessary, or at least advisable.
Distributed at the request of Ingo Swann
by Thomas Burgin